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00:03	martinf	how is the asynchronous db access implemented:
00:03	martinf	is there a central db thread doing al the work?
00:03	hendrik	yes
00:06	hendrik	oh, the slides from the meeting contain references to /tmp/something.png instead of the images :-/
00:07	kymara	there's a wiki page
00:07	hendrik	http://stendhalgame.org/media/2010-03-15-hendrik-markus-marauroa-future.avi
00:07	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Asynchronous_Database_Access
00:08	hendrik	we could easily use a pool of background threads, but that would require to mirror some of the database logic concerning isolation of transactions.
00:09	hendrik	and there is no need for it right now.
00:10	martinf	can you say something about the cpu consumption of the db thread compared to the other threads?
00:11	martinf	with this asynchronous access you can use a multi core cpu without having to parallelise the game logic
00:12	hendrik	CPU consumption is very, very low.
00:12	hendrik	there were two reasons why we did this:
00:13	hendrik	a) we want to be able to do complex queries on itemlog and gameEvents which causes inserts to be delayed.
00:14	martinf	because of db locks, ok
00:14	hendrik	we have a tight time contraint on the main game thread.
00:14	hendrik	yes, or just because it is getting delayed.
00:14	hendrik	the tables are so huge that it sometimes has to go to the hard disk.
00:14	hendrik	even if I do some import into a another table, mysql gets slow.
00:15	hendrik	b) We want to be able to restart the mysql server process without the game going amoc.
00:15	kymara	i said at the beginning it can be because of locks
00:15	hendrik	for example for security updates.
00:15	hendrik	we have not completed the retries for b yet.
00:16	martinf	oh you can restart the database while leaving the game running?! :)
00:16	hendrik	not yet.
00:16	hendrik	all further database queries will fail.
00:16	martinf	but it will come
00:16	martinf	very interesting
00:19	martinf	in the wiki it is explained you are using a polling approach
00:19	martinf	which polling intervall are you using?
00:19	martinf	the game loop time may be?
00:19	hendrik	martinf, the article is a bit outdated, but i need to go to bed.
00:20	martinf	yes me too ;)
00:20	hendrik	yes, in those cases in which we do polling.
00:20	kymara	there can be a turn notifier activated if you wanted to wait for a result
00:20	kymara	and then you complete the command when the turn is reached
00:20	martinf	ok
00:22	kymara	if you needed to remember certain things to actually do what you wanted to do, with the result, you can store them with the command, then you can retrieve them, as well as the result.
00:22	kymara	there are some simple examples in code if you want to see.
00:23	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/semos/bank/Vault.java: notify player of items left in vault using postman table not directly having dagobert private message postman
00:23	martinf	i think i understand: any db access is using some call back mechanism in smart objects
00:24	martinf	... executed in the context of the db thread
00:28	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/player/ReadMessagesOnLogin.java: just javadoc
00:28	martinf	good night everyone! :)
00:29	kymara	night martinf
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00:32	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/mapstuff/sound/BellSoundSource.java: Changed the timing and number of hits to normal
00:33	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/data/conf/zones/ (ados.xml fado.xml): Added BellSoundSources to the churches
00:34	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/marriage/Divorce.java: Use postman table to store and send the message about divorce from wilfred if the spouse is not online
00:35	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/bot/postman/Postman.java: removed the temporary hack telling postman not to reply to the npcs who talked to him, because they don't talk to him any more.
00:38	kymara	https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3028472&group_id=1111&atid=351111 <- kiheru do you want to close that? (the bell ringing one)
00:41	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/mithrilbourgh/throne_room/BuyerNPC.java: Despot Halb Errvl should turn round again - ID: 3027921
00:45	kiheru	ok. I'll be surprised if the code is not buggy, but the feature should be there
00:59	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/doc/CHANGES.txt: Added church bell ringing
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08:55	kymara	schemavalidate doesn't like the [ ] in semos xml now
08:55	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/hudson/job/stendhal_HEAD/lastFailedBuild/console
08:55	kymara	but it did load fine
09:17	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: fix validation errors due to wrong order of elements
09:17	madmetzger	the xml parser loading the xml doesn't consider the xsd defined for the xml files, but schemavalidate checks schema conformance
09:18	madmetzger	we might change the schema to make the order of elements more flexible
09:26	kymara	oh, ok, that one
09:27	kymara	it's a bit artificial to force an order, i guess, if the loader itself can cope with any
09:32	madmetzger	yes, i think i could have a look at the xsd files to make the order more flexible
09:33	kymara	i will make a tracker entry for it to remind you :)
09:33	madmetzger	i was about to make one myself :) but if you want to make i am fine with that :)
09:33	kymara	hehe
09:34	kymara	are you logged in?
09:34	madmetzger	yes
09:34	kymara	k then go ahead :P
09:34	madmetzger	okay :P
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10:43	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/ (3 files in 3 dirs): javadoc fixes
11:01	hendrik	a fixed order in the xml file might make it easer for people to understand it.
11:05	omero	mmm... was thinking about rendering the hoeing npc (farm area) have half-elf resemblances
11:06	omero	he would be close to nalwor forest and give some hints about the forest and the elves
11:31	kymara	semos plains n isn't very close to nalwor forest though?
11:31	kymara	i thought he was wanted for that farming area?
11:48	omero	ah ok
11:48	omero	I was thinking about the grain field in 0_ados_forest_w2
11:50	omero	no problem, kymara
11:50	omero	I already have a human version of the same npc
12:13	kymara	omero: maybe both, we can have two hoe-ers. But consider if paul and philomena would hire a half elf too, is that common?
12:13	omero	he works for apples?
12:14	omero	and milk maybe :)
12:16	omero	btw, this converter does a really nice job... I've tryied converting straight ahead with imagemagick but the outcome is blurred and not at all usable
12:16	kymara	it uses teh scalex algorithm
12:16	kymara	http://scale2x.sourceforge.net/
12:17	kymara	it's just a combination of that script and removing the charas green colour
12:17	kymara	almost all our sprites used it
12:27	omero	very nice indeed
12:28	omero	aha! today's pizza tuesday :)
12:54	kymara	i wrote a little wiki guide to those new condtiion and action portals as i thought that may help along with the existing examples. if soemone is feeling like doing something not too frsutrating then maybe it's worth to convert say some keyed portals? or if there are any quest comlpeted ones or quest checking ones lying about?
12:55	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/HowToAddMapsServerStendhal#Condition_and_Action_Portals is where i added the description
12:56	kymara	should the old portals like LevelCheckingPOrtal which shouldn't be needed any more, get removed?
13:04	kiheru	I think the old portals should be removed eventually. it's less code to maintain if everything uses the same portals
13:05	kiheru	part of the motivation for the conditions and actions was the mess that the current portal hierarchy is
13:06	kymara	right
15:42	omero	http://imagebin.ca/view/ePPG8t3A.html
15:43	omero	take a look if you like... to test it out, I replaced hayun with this and the hoeing animation is not too bad
15:44	kymara	very nice
15:44	kymara	i wonder if the image animator perviewer we used to use still works
15:44	kymara	kiheru: we talked about it recently, was it using pagelayout or something?
15:44	kymara	*previewer
15:45	omero	kymara, have you already seen it in action?
15:46	kymara	omero: no, i was resopnding to having just seen the picture
15:46	omero	ah ok
15:47	kymara	i will not be able to look at it for a few hours, in action.
15:47	omero	I'm about to try to make the other with a sickle instead of a hoe
15:49	kiheru	kymara: the animator should work. I replaced the pagelayout thingies with something else
15:49	kymara	i can't find it atm
15:50	kymara	it was never where i thuoght it woudl be
15:51	kiheru	I'm trying to search for it too :-D
15:59	kymara	well the name had Animation in
15:59	kymara	I think it was CreatureAnimationRunner
15:59	kymara	or CreatureAnimationPreviewer
15:59	kymara	and i was just looking using cvs frontend
15:59	kymara	it should be in src/games/stendhal/tools if the world has any justic
15:59	kymara	e
15:59	kymara	but i think it was somewhere in a test or soem other tools folder
16:00	kiheru	./tests/data/sprites/monsters/CreatureAnimationPreview.java
16:01	kymara	tests/data/sprites/monsters/CreatureAnimationPreview.java
16:01	kymara	damn
16:01	kiheru	hehe
16:01	kymara	ok but did knowing a portion of teh name help?
16:01	kiheru	no
16:01	kymara	:(
16:01	kiheru	I searched commit logs for layout
16:01	kymara	do i get points for practically knowing the full name and even that it was in tests ?
16:02	kiheru	ok
16:02	kymara	you can cheat, you have git
16:02	kiheru	:-P
16:02	kymara	omero: you use an ide?
16:02	kiheru	but I knew what to search for
16:02	omero	ls -alR |grep -i creature
16:02	kymara	oh cmon
16:02	kymara	if you did that you'd never find it.
16:02	kymara	well you may but you'd get so many other results
16:03	omero	find . -type f -iname creature*
16:03	kiheru	[kimmo ~/src/stendhal]$ find . -type f -iname creature*|wc -l
16:03	omero	kymara, I did that with the gimp
16:03	kiheru	67
16:03	omero	lol
16:03	kymara	omero: we do know linux shell commands :D
16:03	omero	ok, but you knew the full name
16:03	kymara	in fact i love grep
16:04	kymara	but w/out access to source code to grep it's harder ...
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16:13	omero	kymara, an ide for the source or for the drawing?
16:13	kymara	for stendhal's source code in java and xml
16:14	kymara	because then you can run the previewer rather simply. when i mentioned the charasconverter file i had assumed you had an ide and could run it from there without needing to go get the jar
16:19	storyteller	Hey, Kiheru, I have seen the new BellSoundSource :) That's nice :)
16:21	omero	kymara, my ide is vim :)
16:22	kiheru	unfortunately I broke the build so I think it's not active in the test server :-D
16:23	kymara	did you?
16:23	kymara	i thought i did.
16:24	storyteller	ah...
16:24	kymara	because the xml cared about the element order.
16:24	kymara	but the server does not
16:24	kymara	i'll restart testserver
16:26	kiheru	I added the bells to the xml. I think that broke it. (didn't check it for sure though)
16:28	kiheru	oh, could not have been me. it was in semos
16:28	storyteller	Hmm...
16:28	storyteller	do the bells work already?
16:29	kiheru	they should
16:29	kymara	it was me.
16:29	storyteller	is the bell sound added within the BellSoundSource so?
16:29	storyteller	ah, okay
16:29	kymara	i did:
16:29	kymara	<portal
16:29	kymara	<implementation
16:29	madmetzger	yes, it was the order what broke the xml
16:29	kymara	</implementation
16:29	kymara	<destination
16:30	storyteller	hmm...
16:30	kiheru	they're timed only at about the right minute (+ any turn overflows)
16:30	kymara	that is bad. i was supposed to put the destination ebfore the imlpementation. i find it counter intuitive and since i stopped usign emacs and ant i dont' spot it now
16:30	storyteller	also half hours?
16:30	kiheru	once every half hour
16:30	storyteller	okay
16:31	madmetzger	should we at least change the order for portal elements then rather than making the order more flexible?
16:31	storyteller	well, at my local server if didn't work... :/
16:31	storyteller	Ahhhhh :D
16:31	storyteller	Now :))
16:31	storyteller	That's great :)
16:32	storyteller	nearly two minutes over time ;)
16:32	storyteller	but the bell is great :)
16:32	kiheru	I could have aimed at higher accuracy, but thought the sacristan does not know the time any better anyway
16:33	storyteller	yes
16:33	storyteller	no, that's fine :)
16:34	storyteller	and does it really ring five times in half an hour then?
16:34	kiheru	it should
16:34	storyteller	Oh, that's really great :)
16:34	storyteller	Thank you, Kiheru :)
16:35	kiheru	I have had a local server running overnight and been checking the bells once a while
16:35	kiheru	yw. it was a fun and nice feature to implement
16:35	storyteller	:)
16:38	kymara	madmetzger: if the validation was also enforced in eclipse it wouldn't be an issue.
16:39	kiheru	the sound radius etc may take adjusting. I'm not sure those are right
16:39	storyteller	hmm... Well, it can be a quite big radius that's fine then
16:40	storyteller	I also thought of also having the bell sound then in areas next to where the church is, maybe. But then with less volume
16:41	kiheru	that's harder to add. the bell source is at the map with the church
16:41	storyteller	yes
16:41	storyteller	Hmm...
16:41	storyteller	well, it is no need ;)
16:42	kiheru	maybe the bell at the athor island should be made usable
16:43	storyteller	oh, is there one?
16:43	storyteller	Aaaaand: Idea- alert ;D
16:43	kiheru	right of the beach
16:44	storyteller	What about someone shouting when the ferry arrived? ;)
16:44	kiheru	next to the huts
16:44	storyteller	Ah okay :)
16:46	kymara	i was thinking about swimming costumes: although you coudl still teleport out of the island, the ferry people could at least refuse to let you on if you had on the swimming costume still
16:46	kymara	or change you back
16:46	storyteller	yes
16:47	kymara	i'd someday liek to do something better with the outfits that get removed
16:48	kymara	atm server restart breaks the listener
16:49	storyteller	well, there could be a sound when the ferry has arrived, which has a quite big radius and the source is set at the dock, so you also hear it when you are further away
16:49	kymara	sounds good, storyteller
16:50	kymara	i do not think the npc themself can shout for the whole zone
16:50	kymara	but a horn toot like a ferry makes could go quite far
16:50	storyteller	yes, thats true...
16:51	storyteller	but a horn toot is well, non fotting to the world...
16:51	storyteller	unless it is something like blown in a cow horn like the vikings or something ;)
16:51	kymara	right
16:51	storyteller	:)
16:52	storyteller	that would be nice then
16:54	madmetzger	kymara: do you open xml files with the eclipse text editor? or do you use the eclipse xml editor? in my configuration the xsd is checked on save
16:54	kymara	madmetzger: i just 'open' them. i have no xml editor for them, they aren't syntax highlighted. i have asked about it in teh past and someone recommended xmlbuddy and it was closed source i think so i didn't get it
16:56	madmetzger	okay, i have the web tools platform installed, which might be a bit too much maybe. but it includes an xml editor. that makes the difference i guess
16:56	hendrik	you can select just the editor from the web tools platform.
16:57	madmetzger	yes, there's one feature for that
17:01	storyteller	Huiii, the bell works fine :)
17:02	kymara	I will try it when i get home, hendrik, madmetzger.
18:23	omero	uhm
18:23	omero	[18:18] <Carmen> Hi, may I help?
18:23	omero	[18:18] <omero> heak
18:23	omero	[18:18] <Carmen> There, you are healed. How else may I help you?
18:23	kymara	Yes.
18:24	kymara	Loads of NPCs can understand typos.
18:24	omero	she's heaked me
18:24	kymara	That's the magic of parser
18:24	kymara	No, she told you she healed you. But she understood.
18:24	omero	^^
18:24	omero	hi
18:24	kymara	You can ask to get into the vault with a whole host of spelling errors.
18:24	omero	ops
18:24	omero	yes, vaulz works :)
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18:38	storyteller	I am really excited of the bell at ados church :D
18:38	kiheru	:-)
18:38	storyteller	Well, but hmm, in my opinion it should also be in other zones of ados...
18:39	storyteller	Well, if I am in Ados I am not that often in the south...
18:40	kymara	perhaps it would be best to add it to other churches like fado first and then think about making it to a wider area of zones. after all, we dont' want to dilute the effect too much
18:40	storyteller	yes, that is true
18:40	kiheru	I added a bell to fado
18:40	storyteller	Okay :)
18:41	storyteller	Well, you are right :) For this first time it should just be in these zones and not in others around :)
18:41	storyteller	maybe then the people will come to this zone just to hear the bell ;)
18:41	storyteller	Just like with Big Ben ;D
18:46	kiheru	I don't remember if there are other bells than those two churches (except the one at athor, but that should work differently)
18:51	yoriy	amazoness giant should drop giant heart. Otherways is is hard to prove that we dont think about womans have no heart :-)
18:51	yoriy	i will make feature request
18:58	yoriy	kiheru, i found that request: #1802408, what you think, it seems to be very close to your maze.
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19:16	kiheru	the maze does not quite take an hour to do :-D
19:16	Bluelads4	:D just if you forget that you're logged in ^^
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19:48	Laguz	hello all
19:51	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (9 files in 5 dirs):
19:51	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: start of notifier mechanism similar to tutorial events
19:51	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * logging in database commented out as reached achievements are not yet stored in player object
19:51	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * add new achievements in code in createXXXAchievement methods
19:51	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * add new categories in enum Category if necessary
19:51	kymara	hi Laguz
19:52	kymara	i wrote you messages here when i was comitting the candle portals
19:53	Laguz	hi kymara
19:53	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/chat/2010-07-12.html if you search for first time i saw 'laguz' and then read on
19:53	kymara	i stop at about 23 30
19:53	Laguz	ok moment
19:53	kymara	so, 2100 is the first one i think
19:57	Laguz	kymara, ok i see
19:58	Laguz	the problem is that players can drop the candles and get new
19:58	Laguz	thats the reason whyi wanted it as quest-state
19:58	Laguz	the candles can be all destroyed by the next portal but other players can use the candles
19:58	Laguz	if the lay on the ground
19:59	Laguz	hm
19:59	Laguz	we could bound them to the player, maybe then its no need to be bound to a quest-state
20:01	Laguz	and yes, the gates need a reject-message. special cause i use a gate for a quest
20:02	Laguz	and the player dont know what happens without the reject message
20:02	kymara	you did not say what quest state you mean
20:02	kymara	so i did't know what to do
20:02	kymara	the spots were saying they needed a candle so i thought i had to give it a candle
20:02	Laguz	oh wait
20:03	Laguz	i havent read all
20:03	Laguz	no i thought it doesnt work multi-action
20:03	Laguz	i should rd all first^^
20:03	Laguz	read*
20:04	kymara	well right now i have it that it gives you the candle only if you don't have one. but you're right i geuss they can put it on ground to get more, but zekiel did make you drop them anyway too (i guess you could teleport out)
20:04	kymara	it coudl set teh quest slot and give the candle, only if quest slot isn't already set
20:05	kymara	but then if you pick the wrong portal zekiel needs to reset your slot before he sends you back
20:05	Laguz	hm
20:05	kymara	*or* we could make each candle-spot (not portal, i mean the shimmer spot) eat all candles you hold not just one of them.
20:05	Laguz	no i wanted portalset quest-states
20:05	kymara	alright
20:05	kymara	i guess you can see yourself how to do it now
20:05	Laguz	let me explain
20:05	kymara	and i wrote a small guide on the wiki
20:06	Laguz	ah nice thank you
20:06	Laguz	i still havent read the complete log
20:07	Laguz	ill read it first
20:07	Laguz	if i cant do it how i need, ill ask u
20:07	kymara	ok
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20:16	Laguz	kymara, of course i can change the quest-name. I enlarged the quest while developing it, so the name is anyway not really fitting to the complete quest anymore.
20:17	Laguz	which name do u had in mind?
20:17	kymara	on the wiki you call it the wizards circle quest
20:17	Laguz	oh, really?
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20:18	kymara	so it coudl be wizards_circle and the java file quest name too, or take it from the java file and call the quests slot zekiel_practical_test or something ?
20:18	Laguz	we should better name it like the java file, or?
20:19	kymara	yes unless we changed both
20:19	kymara	but i think it was changed enough before ...
20:20	kymara	so zekiels_practical_test
20:20	kymara	to be close to the java file name too
20:20	Laguz	i dont care on the name, i just want the best and easiest fit
20:20	kymara	just something not toooo hard for poor admins and developers to remember:)
20:20	kymara	and did you find the wiki page
20:21	Laguz	^^ thats what i mean
20:21	Laguz	no
20:21	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/HowToAddMapsServerStendhal#Condition_and_Action_Portals
20:21	Laguz	i didnt loked for it, i talk to friend so im little bit slow
20:21	kymara	i didn't actually *test* the code that i pasted there but it shoudl give the overall idea
20:22	Laguz	hes playing stendhal at moment and asks me somethings
20:22	Laguz	ah yes thanks, this is cool
20:23	Laguz	but i didnt really understand how it can replace the gates
20:24	kymara	it is not designed to replaced gates
20:24	kymara	gates, doors and portals are all different base types of entrance, really.
20:24	kymara	but you can add these conditions and actions up
20:24	Laguz	it seems i misunderstood
20:24	kymara	like combine them in different ways
20:24	Laguz	yes
20:25	kymara	i thought i already saw conditions on the gates
20:25	Laguz	yes
20:32	Laguz	ah, i remember why i used a gate for the quest
20:32	Laguz	because portals with image are visible at the minimap
20:33	Laguz	thats mean i still cant replace the gate with the action portals
20:33	Laguz	beside, the gate just needs reject message and it works perfect
20:34	kymara	Laguz: you used gate atthe top of teh spire
20:34	kymara	you used door for the ones that eat the candle.
20:34	Laguz	yes, i mean another gate
20:34	kymara	i am not sure which you mean right now.
20:34	kymara	ok
20:34	Laguz	?
20:35	kymara	what?
20:35	Laguz	i just talk about gate, not doors
20:35	kymara	and?
20:35	kymara	is there a problem?
20:35	Laguz	becauseu said i used doors eating candle
20:35	kymara	if there is something you need, state what you need in one simple line please.
20:36	Laguz	i already talked to kiheru about that, its just a while ago
20:36	Laguz	he made all the gate conditions
20:36	kymara	Ok, if you have everything you need now that's fine.
20:36	Laguz	i cant remember what was the problem with reject message
20:37	hendrik	Laguz, you asked for portals/gates/doors/whatever to be able to do actions.
20:37	Laguz	yes thats true and i need it
20:37	Laguz	the gates are another theme
20:38	Laguz	i guessi confused u a bit^^
20:38	Laguz	the gates are for another quest^^
20:38	kymara	i dont feel confused.
20:38	Laguz	i need the action portals for the candle quest, but the gate for another
20:38	hendrik	seems like Laguz is the confused one.
20:39	kymara	i just feel that you're not communicating, but that's ok, if you have everything you need.
20:39	Laguz	i still have prblems to communicate explain in english, i guess thats the problem...
20:43	kymara	you're like me and don't think much before you type
20:43	kymara	just start typing whatever you are thinking and that means it doesn't come out well formed.
20:45	Laguz	could be^^
20:49	madmetzger	has anyone a better idea than storing reached achievements for a player in the player object than using a string list as implemented in Attributes.java?
20:50	madmetzger	adding attributes is not a decision one should make without thinking good about it :D
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20:52	hendrik	loading it from the archivement table on login and storing as Set<String> in the Player.java
20:54	madmetzger	oh, that's a sounds like a good idea
21:07	Laguz	hendrik, how can i check and set quest states with the portals?
21:07	hendrik	Laguz, kymara told you the link that explain it.
21:07	Laguz	yes but i cant find any example for quests
21:08	Laguz	i dont know how to get to the quests
21:08	kymara	i also gave links where all the conditions and action names can be found
21:09	kymara	you know how to set quest states and check them when you write an npc doing it
21:09	kymara	just use exactly the same ones
21:09	kymara	<parameter name="action">new DropItemAction("special magical thingy", 10)</parameter>
21:09	Laguz	oh wait, im dumb
21:09	kymara	<parameter name="action">new SetQuestAction("candle_quest","start")</parameter>
21:09	kymara	like for quests ...
21:10	Laguz	i just have to use the direct name of the quest
21:10	Laguz	instead quest_slot
21:10	Laguz	or?
21:10	hendrik	yes
21:10	Laguz	that was my question^^
21:10	kymara	yes, normally somewhere you have said QUEST_SLOT="candle_quest" atteh start the file.
21:10	kymara	*at the start
21:10	Laguz	yes
21:10	Laguz	its all clear
21:11	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/engine/db/AchievementDAO.java: add a method to read all reached achievement identifiers of a player
21:11	kymara	i thought there were already code examples too
21:11	kymara	for entering the catacombs for example. in semos.xml
21:18	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/engine/dbcommand/ReadAchievementsForPlayerCommand.java: add db command to read reached achievements for a player
21:23	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: yoriy * stendhal/data/conf/creatures/giant_human.xml: implementation of #3029044, "Amazoness giant should drop giant heart"
21:41	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/engine/db/AchievementDAO.java: fix column number
21:46	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
21:46	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * check if player has already reached an achievement
21:46	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * add logging of reaching to player and database table
21:46	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: * store reached achievements in volatile set within player object
21:50	kymara	'The a kymara's house key ' ..
21:50	kymara	ugh, that's from the quantityplnoun change of 1 -> a
21:51	kymara	but it's not too easy to fix this one
21:51	kymara	i could drop the 'The' totally but then the thing isn't capitalised
21:52	hendrik	Did it say The 1 kymara's house key before?
21:52	kiheru	hmm, wouldn't that look weird with 1 as well
21:52	kymara	it did but that is better
21:52	kymara	The 1 carrot which you left on the floor
21:52	kymara	The 10 carrots
21:52	kymara	not The a carrot
21:53	kiheru	ah, that message
21:53	kymara	it's alright, i'll put it after a colon and pretend it's not a new sentence.
21:54	kiheru	what if it was without "The"?
21:54	kymara	Then it is:
21:54	kymara	a carrot which you left on the floor
21:54	kymara	and as i said that is not capitalised.
21:54	kymara	so that is unacceptable too.
21:54	kiheru	capitalization should be easy to add
21:54	hendrik	I'd suggest a new method quantityplnounWithoutPrefixOnOne() or with a better name.
21:54	kymara	a new method, wasteful.
21:55	hendrik	that does the same thing as quantityplnoun except that it does add nothing in case it is 1.
21:55	kymara	I can do: Dagobert tells you: a carrot which you left on the floor
21:55	kymara	I'd dropped the Dagobert tells you: before (for when it didn't have to come via postman)
21:56	kymara	so now i have to add in 'source tells you:' into my GuaranteedDelayedPlayerTextSender
21:58	kymara	if someone wants to make a new method i'll use it
21:58	kymara	i had the same problem with my mum telling players a message using that
22:00	kymara	she was saying " come back in .. and I'll have got your " + quantityplnoun ...
22:00	kymara	so i just dropped the 'your'
22:06	kiheru	slightly refined bucket image: http://imagebin.ca/view/wSHfuU.html
22:08	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: story-teller * stendhal/data/conf/zones/ados.xml: Added bird sounds to different places in 0_ados_city_s and 0_ados_city_n.
22:11	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/data/conf/ (achievements/achievements.xml achievements.xsd): add a first draft to configure achievements via xml similar to portals with conditions
22:11	kiheru	a new quantityplnoun variant would be trivial to add. (and apparently used at least 2 places so it would be ok). what would be a good name?
22:12	kymara	it irritates me to add a new one
22:13	kymara	there are so many methods in there already
22:13	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/ (2 files):
22:13	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: private text sender which guarantees message delivery using a delayed method so
22:13	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: it doesn't get lost on zone change and then by using postman if the player
22:13	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: logged out by the time it was sent. prepends who the souce was from to the
22:13	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: private message like 'source tells you:\n'
22:13	kymara	isare IsAre plnoun quantityplnoun quantityplnounwithhash
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22:18	kiheru	ok, no new methods then
22:23	Laguz	kymara, do u have the feeling the practical test is to hard? Or why do u want a paper for the players with the informations?
22:34	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/data/gui/ (trash.png trash.xcf.bz2): Added an image for the remove account button
22:35	Laguz	kiheru, marked scrolls can be used by other players too?
22:35	Laguz	i mean instead of the player who marked it
22:36	kiheru	I think they can now. they used to be bound, but since we have already the visited check it was not really needed anymore
22:36	Laguz	because i have to use noTeleportIn-area for all interiors of the wizards tower, so that players not just use marked scrolls to reach the spire
22:37	Laguz	OOh
22:37	Laguz	cool
22:37	Laguz	didnt knew that
22:37	kymara	Laguz: maybe you should get some moreplayers to test the quest.
22:37	Laguz	so i just have to use them at the interiors of the test
22:37	kymara	For example you said that one wizard is a fire wizard
22:37	kymara	and to pick teh creature for him
22:38	kymara	i picked a fire elemental
22:38	kymara	stupid me, why would a fire elemental represent fire magic?
22:38	Laguz	it does, thats it
22:38	kymara	um, i think i had to choose the fire demon.
22:38	Laguz	but it doesnt fir to the fire mages history
22:38	kymara	yes
22:39	Laguz	i think
22:39	kymara	and from zekiel i had thought the important thing to remember was just thatthat wizard is fire
22:39	kymara	and remember there were 7 wizards to remember
22:39	Laguz	the quest should not be to easy, let the players teleport back sometimes if they choosee false
22:39	kymara	so i thought of the paper.
22:39	kymara	which might be nice, visually, and stop them just using trial and error
22:40	kymara	i think right now most players will just use trial and error or just ask their friends.
22:40	kymara	not even try to do it properly
22:40	Laguz	yes
22:40	kymara	so i offer a solution.
22:40	Laguz	asking friends will happen anyway
22:40	Laguz	hm
22:41	Laguz	u mean a paper with image, like map from monogenes?
22:41	kymara	yes
22:42	kymara	like my dark elves wanted image too. it's just supposed to be a 'wanted poster' i think
22:42	kymara	or the maps by zynn iwuhos
22:43	Laguz	i will check that
22:43	kymara	but with text too
22:44	Laguz	yes sure, without text it would make no sense
22:45	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/login/LoginDialog.java: Use image rather than text for the remove account button. Added a tooltip to it
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23:31	Laguz	hendrik, something seems to be wrong with my portal-code. All portals befor this action-portal are in the zone, but all portals(including the action-portal) after it are not.
23:32	hendrik	are there error messages on server start?
23:32	Laguz	http://pastebin.com/EMm9smer
23:32	kymara	put "" around the string for the quest slot.
23:32	kymara	or it does not know it's a string
23:32	Laguz	let me check
23:33	kymara	<parameter name="action">new SetQuestAction("candle_quest","start")</parameter> is what i told you
23:33	kymara	SetQuestAction(zekiels_practical_test, "second_step") is what you have, and check the condition too
23:34	Laguz	so its still different to the java code
23:34	hendrik	no, it is not.
23:34	hendrik	in Java you have to quote strings, too.
23:35	hendrik	try:
23:35	hendrik	public class Foo {
23:35	hendrik	public static void main(String[] args) {
23:35	Laguz	ah i just copied the line with the quest_slot
23:35	Laguz	and replaced it
23:35	hendrik	new SetQuestAction(zekiels_practical_test, "second_step");
23:35	hendrik	}}
23:35	Laguz	ok forget it
23:36	kymara	Laguz: but as i told you, you had earlier set quest_slot = "candle_quest";
23:36	kymara	not quest_slot = candle_quest;
23:36	kymara	please don't just say 'ok forget it'
23:36	kymara	that seems pretty rude, hendrik was trying to teach you something there.
23:39	Laguz	that is what i said
23:39	Laguz	i defined quest slot befor
23:40	Laguz	i just replaced quest slot with the name of the quest
23:40	Laguz	in the xml
23:40	Laguz	and "forget it" means in this case "forget it, it was my fault"
23:40	Laguz	in german we use that normaly, its not rude

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