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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-07-16
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| 09:29 | kiheru | looks like RPEntity and AchievementNotifier are out of sync. RPEntity calls onKill, which does not exist |
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| 09:31 | kymara | CodeCannon: sorry, i was going to look at yuor website patch last night but I got distracted and then fell asleep |
| 09:31 | kymara | kiheru: thanks for doing the karma thing, i think players shoudl really like it |
| 09:32 | kymara | i was looking for other JComponents to see what else we can add tooltips to - so that it becomes a natural thing that thry try look for them |
| 09:32 | kymara | and can other objects get them? even those JLabels would be very cool |
| 09:38 | CodeCannon | will stendhal eventually have day/night, season, weather cycles? |
| 09:42 | CodeCannon | it might be hard on the artists (lots of extra work), but then again it doesn't take much to shift hues, add a few lights in windows, etc. |
| 09:43 | CodeCannon | at night the cities can be decorated with coloured lights :) |
| 09:43 | kymara | we've talked about it yes |
| 09:44 | kiheru | it should work for any JComponent |
| 09:44 | kymara | but a semi transparent layer, darkening everythinf, will have performance problems with alpha and X |
| 09:45 | kymara | shifting hues would be a an interestign way to do it |
| 09:45 | kymara | if day/night: which timezone do we pick? |
| 09:45 | kymara | if you live on the opposite side of the world yuo always play in darkness :( |
| 09:45 | CodeCannon | i think whatever the server is on |
| 09:45 | kymara | yes, but that was the agruemnt last time |
| 09:45 | CodeCannon | i don't think it would be that bad |
| 09:46 | CodeCannon | dungeons ought to be dark all the time |
| 09:46 | CodeCannon | we can have moonlight for outside |
| 09:46 | kiheru | I took a look at that approach earlier, but then I could not find a very good way to do that in java. I'd probably know the system better now |
| 09:47 | CodeCannon | a simple hue shift to gray/blue without darkening should give a pretty good effect |
| 09:47 | CodeCannon | what about swapping pre-edited tilesets? |
| 09:48 | CodeCannon | you have a day tileset, and a night tileset |
| 09:48 | CodeCannon | it would be better for things like lit windows |
| 09:49 | kiheru | that would also make the shift instantaneous |
| 09:49 | CodeCannon | yeh it would :( |
| 09:49 | CodeCannon | stendhal is not on a palette is it? |
| 09:50 | kiheru | doing it dynamically allows for sunrise and sunset to have more red |
| 09:50 | kiheru | no |
| 09:50 | kymara | what about trying weather first |
| 09:51 | hendrik | When I was playing WoW I was quite annoyed by always having to play in the darkness (when I returned from work). |
| 09:51 | kymara | since we are not sure about night/day because of the problem that people in the opposite time zone may only ever get to play in the dark, then |
| 09:51 | hendrik | perhaps we could have non 24 hours days? |
| 09:51 | kymara | another option would be |
| 09:51 | kymara | yes |
| 09:51 | kiheru | yep. that could be annoying. unless we make the game day a bit shorter |
| 09:51 | kymara | but then |
| 09:51 | CodeCannon | yes good idea |
| 09:51 | kymara | atm 5 minutes means 5 minutes |
| 09:52 | kymara | to a producer |
| 09:52 | kymara | 24 hours and 1 day means that, in our TimeUtiles |
| 09:52 | kymara | when you say yuo have to do a quest once per day |
| 09:53 | kiheru | it could certainly be confusing to players |
| 09:53 | CodeCannon | display a game clock in the client |
| 09:53 | kymara | i think that's too confusing |
| 09:54 | kymara | they know they can do they daily quests once a day |
| 09:54 | CodeCannon | hmm |
| 09:55 | CodeCannon | wouldn't playing at night by bright moonlight be ok? |
| 09:55 | CodeCannon | no darkening, only hue shift |
| 09:55 | CodeCannon | and, seeing that the days are full 24 hour |
| 09:56 | CodeCannon | whatever method we use to for the day/night transistion, |
| 09:57 | CodeCannon | the tilesets only need to be recalculated every 10sec - 1min |
| 09:57 | CodeCannon | less performance hit |
| 09:57 | kymara | can we try it with wweather first? |
| 09:58 | CodeCannon | let's say each game loop does a small portion of processing, and caches it |
| 09:58 | CodeCannon | yeh let's |
| 09:58 | kiheru | what would we want to show about weather? rain? |
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| 09:59 | kymara | thunder :) |
| 09:59 | CodeCannon | snow would need similar effects as day/night |
| 09:59 | kymara | liek when it goes all dark and thundery in the sky |
| 09:59 | kymara | that's just a bit dark and slightly green |
| 09:59 | kymara | kulog would like this :) |
| 10:00 | CodeCannon | there should be an effect on gameplay |
| 10:00 | CodeCannon | not just visuals |
| 10:00 | CodeCannon | ? |
| 10:01 | kymara | do you have suggestions? |
| 10:01 | CodeCannon | sliding on hard surfaces? :) |
| 10:02 | CodeCannon | an advantage to certain weapons/creatures based on water? |
| 10:02 | CodeCannon | temporarily expanding lakes |
| 10:02 | kymara | or less accuracy in hitting because it got darker |
| 10:03 | kymara | eek |
| 10:03 | CodeCannon | that's gonna be hard to code |
| 10:03 | CodeCannon | ? |
| 10:03 | CodeCannon | (expanding lakes) |
| 10:03 | kymara | yes |
| 10:03 | kymara | imho |
| 10:04 | lachgeist | in "Eternal Lands" there is 3h daylight and 3n night - 6h for a Day is playable. |
| 10:04 | CodeCannon | yeah i think it'll work (imho) |
| 10:05 | CodeCannon | 4 days per day :) |
| 10:05 | kymara | lachgeist: what do you think about the other timings? how currently if you're asked to return in 24 hours that is written as 'one day' |
| 10:05 | kiheru | the trouble is it being confusing for all the other timings |
| 10:05 | kymara | or 24 * 7 * 3 is 3 weeks, etc |
| 10:06 | CodeCannon | hmm, i think why not do it in a complete way - |
| 10:06 | CodeCannon | give the game its own calendar |
| 10:06 | CodeCannon | own month names |
| 10:06 | CodeCannon | i see it a lot in games |
| 10:06 | CodeCannon | and i don't find it confusing |
| 10:07 | CodeCannon | 4 months per year, 4 seasons |
| 10:07 | CodeCannon | ? |
| 10:07 | CodeCannon | it is a fantasy world after all |
| 10:07 | lachgeist | Well, I see - lots of text to change ... I thougt of 8h-cycle, so it would rotate with real daytimes, but I can think, I would be confused with that. |
| 10:09 | CodeCannon | hmm |
| 10:10 | CodeCannon | i guess if it we wanted something like this to work, |
| 10:10 | kymara | so lets see if we can even get this idea to work for weather |
| 10:10 | lachgeist | Ooops, 24=3*8 ... would not rotate :) |
| 10:10 | kymara | as perhaps the shifting colours and changing in game effects is something that requires quite some work, anyway |
| 10:11 | kymara | and then review if we want to do anything with day/night after? |
| 10:11 | lachgeist | Well of course it could affect vampires, werewolfes etc. |
| 10:12 | CodeCannon | yeah :) |
| 10:12 | CodeCannon | we would need to help players understand how to think in terms of a different time system |
| 10:13 | kymara | i am not sure it is a good idea at all to change the time system |
| 10:13 | CodeCannon | ok |
| 10:15 | CodeCannon | when is the next release? |
| 10:17 | kymara | we usually release at the end of each month |
| 10:18 | kymara | and there is a lot of nice content ready for stendhal 0.86 so i am feeling very positive |
| 10:18 | lachgeist | I would be in doubt too ... nice to think of - but loads of changes. |
| 10:18 | kymara | i'm away 27th-30th so we may push it forward |
| 10:18 | CodeCannon | cool stuff :) |
| 10:18 | kymara | if anyone wants to test the new client and server on the test server you are more than welcome |
| 10:18 | kymara | i would really appreciate it especially from windows users |
| 10:19 | kymara | http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Stendhal_Testing |
| 10:19 | kymara | and macs, since kiheru made some bugfixes especially for mac users |
| 10:21 | kiheru | a bugfix, and I'm not even sure if it works. for the other one I'll need rather active cooperation from a mac user |
| 10:22 | CodeCannon | weather ideas: rain, sandstorms (desert areas), bush fires, dust devils, hail, plain windstorm (pushes avatars), overcast (cloud shadows), mist, meteor showers (danger to avatars) |
| 10:23 | kiheru | some, like mist, require alpha, and that's unrealiable on X |
| 10:24 | kiheru | (and java provides no way to check if hardware alpha is in use) |
| 10:24 | CodeCannon | hmm |
| 10:24 | CodeCannon | what about dithering? |
| 10:26 | CodeCannon | would stendhal in the future someday perhaps use opengl for rendering? |
| 10:32 | kiheru | possibly. the annoying thing is that java can use the native libraries for good graphics performance - and does so under windows and mac, but does not do that by default under X |
| 10:52 | madmetzger | kiheru, i wonder how that could happen with AchievementNotifier as i have no outgoing changes to it |
| 10:55 | kiheru | I dunno. anyway the code does not compile |
| 10:56 | madmetzger | stupid me, it was arranged in another change set :/ |
| 10:56 | madmetzger | commited it now |
| 10:57 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/achievements/ (AchievementNotifier.java Category.java): implement a simple kill achievement |
| 11:05 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/achievements/AchievementNotifier.java: added java doc and extracted method for achievement retrieval and checking |
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| 14:12 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (2 files in 2 dirs): rename method |
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| 16:47 | Laguz | hello all |
| 16:55 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/data/sprites/examine/wizards-parchment.png: info parchment for the quest zekiels practical test |
| 16:56 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/ZekielsPracticalTestQuest.java: updated quest behave and added the wizards parchment |
| 16:58 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/semos/wizardstower/ (4 files): update of the NPCs |
| 17:07 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: updated portals of the wizards tower |
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| 19:15 | CodeCannon | if one has music that can be added, where can it be uploaded? |
| 19:16 | CodeCannon | i guess this would be part of developing content with xml? |
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| 19:56 | postman-bot | itzli rented a sign saying "∞" |
| 20:02 | omero | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=1111&atid=101111 |
| 20:11 | omero | uhm... |
| 20:12 | omero | [20:31] <Valo> Giants dwell in caves east of here. Good luck slaying those beasts ... |
| 20:12 | omero | east of ados you'll walk on the ocean... |
| 20:13 | * | kymara isnt' very good atleft and right |
| 20:13 | kymara | or east and west |
| 20:14 | kymara | or generally knowing where she is |
| 20:14 | kymara | omero: would you like to make a bug report? |
| 20:14 | omero | was just unsure if it's intended or not :) |
| 20:14 | kymara | CodeCannon: you can add music to the patches tracker |
| 20:14 | omero | I'll open a bug record |
| 20:14 | kymara | omero: thanks. we can always close 'not a bug' type bug reports too |
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| 21:05 | kymara | CodeCannon: testing your patch is hard |
| 21:05 | kymara | the stendhal website one |
| 21:05 | kymara | when i ask to login it send me next to stendhalgame.org |
| 21:05 | hendrik | define('STENDHAL_SERVER_NAME', 'localhost'); |
| 21:05 | hendrik | define('STENDHAL_LOGIN_TARGET','http://localhost'); |
| 21:06 | hendrik | please define those in configuration.php |
| 21:06 | kymara | yes |
| 21:06 | kymara | i was about to say i dont' have that defined |
| 21:06 | kymara | is it new? |
| 21:06 | hendrik | yes |
| 21:06 | hendrik | the website uses relateive path normally. |
| 21:07 | hendrik | but when we go from http to https we need to provide an absolute url, including the server name. |
| 21:07 | kymara | ok, it's not really my localhost though |
| 21:07 | kymara | it's my oldmachine , shalli put in the internal IP of that machine? |
| 21:07 | kymara | localhost isn't working for it |
| 21:08 | hendrik | yes |
| 21:08 | * | kymara groans: more rewrite rules |
| 21:09 | hendrik | sorry |
| 21:10 | hendrik | I am having a look at phpunit. |
| 21:12 | kymara | i actually have STENDHAL_MODE_REWRITE false. |
| 21:12 | hendrik | oh. |
| 21:12 | hendrik | what error do you get? |
| 21:12 | kymara | URL /account/myaccount.html was not found on this server. |
| 21:13 | hendrik | what is the url of the page showing that error? |
| 21:13 | kymara | http://192.168.0.3/account/myaccount.html |
| 21:13 | hendrik | srry, i mean the page which contains that link. |
| 21:13 | kymara | i went to http://192.168.0.3/?id=content/account/login |
| 21:13 | kymara | then i logged in |
| 21:14 | hendrik | I am sorry, it is fixed now. |
| 21:15 | * | hendrik hug CIA-66 |
| 21:15 | * | hendrik kicks CIA-66 |
| 21:15 | CIA-66 | ow |
| 21:15 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/account/login.php: fixed hard coded reference to /account/myaccount.html |
| 21:16 | hendrik | there it is. |
| 21:16 | kymara | thanks |
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| 21:18 | * | Bluelads4 hugs CIA-66 |
| 21:18 | * | CIA-66 hugs Bluelads4 |
| 21:18 | * | Bluelads4 had too because it has been hurt by hendrik earlier :D |
| 21:18 | * | hendrik pouts. |
| 21:18 | kymara | if it was faster it would have not been hurt |
| 21:18 | Bluelads4 | aww |
| 21:19 | * | Bluelads4 hugs hendrik too :) |
| 21:19 | * | hendrik smiles: Thank you. |
| 21:19 | Bluelads4 | :) |
| 21:19 | hendrik | Oh, i missed that "s". |
| 21:19 | kymara | yes |
| 21:19 | Bluelads4 | it's quiet picky when it's about typos :D |
| 21:19 | kymara | quite |
| 21:19 | Bluelads4 | oh |
| 21:19 | Bluelads4 | :D |
| 21:20 | * | hendrik giggles. |
| 21:21 | * | Bluelads4 hugs kymara too because Bluelads4 made a typo before :D |
| 21:22 | kymara | the my account box that codecannon made, it's atm below 'players' box |
| 21:22 | kymara | so, play now, download, best player, players, my account |
| 21:22 | kymara | i think it could be higher |
| 21:22 | kymara | what do you think? under download or above play now? |
| 21:23 | hendrik | i guess that was the position of the admin menu. |
| 21:23 | hendrik | but i agree that it should be higher. |
| 21:23 | hendrik | the admin menu is not easily noticeable. |
| 21:23 | kymara | yeah, but doesn'tmatter too much |
| 21:23 | kymara | yes, i knew why he put it there |
| 21:24 | hendrik | i think below Downloads is good. |
| 21:24 | kymara | ok |
| 21:24 | kymara | itlooks nice |
| 21:24 | kymara | all the icons atm are 'postman' |
| 21:24 | kymara | so we need ideas for buttons for the rest |
| 21:25 | hendrik | I think one day we may want to change the Play now button to point to /account/mycharacters |
| 21:25 | kymara | what shoul the login button show? what about logout? merge accounts, change password, and login history are the rest |
| 21:25 | hendrik | that is, after we have a way to register new accounts. |
| 21:25 | * | hendrik nods. |
| 21:25 | hendrik | logout could be a door? |
| 21:25 | kymara | my characters isn't there |
| 21:25 | hendrik | change password a key? |
| 21:26 | kymara | does it have to be an open door? |
| 21:26 | hendrik | I'd like to add that only after account creation is possible. |
| 21:26 | kymara | ok |
| 21:26 | hendrik | A open door may hint that it is about going through, but a closed one is fine, too. |
| 21:26 | kymara | well i'll commit the patch as is then move the order and add some icons, ok? |
| 21:27 | hendrik | login history could be a scroll like history. |
| 21:27 | * | hendrik nods. |
| 21:27 | kymara | it has a change to css |
| 21:27 | kymara | so you might want to pdate teh number after |
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| 21:27 | hendrik | please commit it to a new number. |
| 21:27 | kymara | oops |
| 21:27 | kymara | already sent |
| 21:27 | hendrik | not changing the existing one. |
| 21:28 | hendrik | okay. |
| 21:28 | kymara | sorry |
| 21:28 | hendrik | don't worry. |
| 21:28 | kymara | i can change it now |
| 21:28 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (index.php css/00000008.css scripts/account.php): Patch "My Account" box - ID: 3029967 by codecannon - thank you! |
| 21:28 | hendrik | i have an uncommited change, so let me merge both into ...9. |
| 21:28 | kymara | ok |
| 21:29 | hendrik | nice scroll Laguz. |
| 21:37 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (css/00000009.css index.php): added .warn and migrated changes from 00000008.css about multi line navigation to ...9 |
| 21:38 | hendrik | does someone has a good idea to phrase "change password" in a way that fit into one line? |
| 21:39 | kymara | can the font be smaller or the box wider? |
| 21:39 | kymara | New Password ? |
| 21:40 | hendrik | good. can you test that? |
| 21:40 | kymara | sure |
| 21:41 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/css/00000008.css: revert |
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| 23:08 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add a chat action to check on finished quests for achievements |
| 23:34 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/images/buttons/ (logout_button.png password_button.png): a button with a key and a button with a 'open' door |
| 23:36 | kymara | i can't find where to add them any more. |
| 23:36 | kymara | they are not where they used to be and i can't see them in css |
| 23:37 | CodeCannon | http://www.box.net/shared/dy2ahe30h3 |
| 23:37 | CodeCannon | ^ the kind of music you want for stendhal? |
| 23:38 | kymara | how am i supposed to put the image into teh css, it's all garbage |
| 23:39 | hendrik | sorry, i should have put some instructions in there. |
| 23:39 | CodeCannon | kymara there are online base64 encoders |
| 23:41 | CodeCannon | http://www.opinionatedgeek.com/dotnet/tools/base64encode/ |
| 23:41 | kymara | you used to just writethe image name, i understand the logic but i still need to knwo what to do |
| 23:41 | kymara | so is there any point to committing the buttons to cvs in images/buttons/ any more? |
| 23:42 | CodeCannon | why is it encoded in css though? |
| 23:42 | hendrik | kymara, yes. |
| 23:42 | CodeCannon | is it faster? |
| 23:42 | kymara | yes |
| 23:42 | kymara | orsomething |
| 23:42 | hendrik | and they still need to be added to the ie.css |
| 23:42 | hendrik | yes |
| 23:42 | hendrik | i cannot find the encoder anymore. |
| 23:43 | kymara | ok, well maybe i will letyou just change the images |
| 23:43 | kymara | i added the key for change password, i was going to use he history scroll forlogin hostory and the door for logout |
| 23:43 | kymara | i'll just movethe box |
| 23:44 | hendrik | kymara, http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/data/data |
| 23:45 | hendrik | can you add a comment to the .css file saying to use that upload form and to put a refernce to the real image into the ie.css file, please? |
| 23:46 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/index.php: moved account box under download button. 'Change Password' -> 'New Password' as it fits on one line |
| 23:49 | kymara | what am i supposed to do with that link |
| 23:49 | kymara | i uploaded the picture and it showed it to me. |
| 23:49 | kymara | no code. |
| 23:50 | hendrik | please look at the adress bar of the browser. |
| 23:50 | kymara | there's a url but that is full of % signs |
| 23:50 | hendrik | urghs :-/ |
| 23:50 | hendrik | sorry. |
| 23:50 | kymara | there were not % signs in the css file |
| 23:50 | hendrik | please just commit the IE style sheet for now, and remove the lines from the normal style sheet. |
| 23:51 | hendrik | I will try to find a working encoder somewhere. |
| 23:51 | kymara | i'll just leave it |
| 23:51 | hendrik | (or write one myself) |
| 23:51 | kymara | since it works now |
| 23:51 | kymara | and it's fine |
| 23:52 | kymara | if i tick base64 there are not % signs |
| 23:52 | kymara | is that better? |
| 23:52 | hendrik | yes. |
| 23:52 | hendrik | that is the correct format. |
| 23:56 | hendrik | CodeCannon, it reduces the load time from about 6,4 seconds to less than 3 seconds on first visit. |
| 23:56 | CodeCannon | wow very good |
| 23:56 | hendrik | and we make heavy use of caching. |
| 23:57 | kymara | there is no ie 9 css |
| 23:57 | kymara | so do i do the latest ie css? |
| 23:57 | hendrik | please copy that one and increment the number by one. |
| 23:57 | hendrik | it needs to be change in index.php, too. |
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