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00:00hendrikat least one of them was an developer in the past.
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00:39*kymara hugs CIA-66
00:39*CIA-66 hugs kymara
00:42kymarai committed /script DumpPostmanTable.class but cia isn't telling
00:42kymaramebbe i should have called it DumpPostmanXML
00:42kymaraanyway
00:42kymarai put a sample one in my root eclipse folder and it worked
01:12CIA-66arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/script/DumpPostmanTable.java:
01:12CIA-66arianne_rpg: initial try at a script to dump the postman xml file to a format easier imported
01:12CIA-66arianne_rpg: by mysql. I picked csv but we can change this if wanted. It just writes to
01:12CIA-66arianne_rpg: System.out for now. checks for double quotes and escape characters already
01:12CIA-66arianne_rpg: present and replaces them, also replaces new lines with a space.
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10:48kymaraI expect we'll want to announce a feature freeze sometime early this week. Could people please bear that in mind?
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11:02hendriki guess tomorrow, so that we can do the branch on wednessday.
11:02hendrikor is that too late?
11:09kymaraThat seems ok
13:42kymaraSome of the tests on http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Stendhal_Testing need some time elapsed (e.g. offers expiring from Harold.) So if people can already start these that would be good
13:42kymaraOtherwise we don't have time to test them before release.
13:54madmetzgerjust an idea: why not change the times for harold or other long lasting things for testing purposes to much shorter periods of time?
13:57hendriki think we want a realistic test.
13:59kymaraYes, that was the thing. When I added it to the testing page there would have been plenty of time, too.
13:59kymarahendrik: shoudl i try to reactivate postman on test server too? Well, update him first.
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14:04hendrikIf that gets too complicated, I can start my local version and point it to the testserver tonight.
14:04kymarawell, that sounds fine to me if it's no effort for you
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17:25CIA-66arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
17:25CIA-66arianne_rpg: update buddy list, when a player joins the game
17:25CIA-66arianne_rpg: (fixes #3031340)
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17:38kymaraRepeated from earlier: Some of the tests on http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Stendhal_Testing need some time elapsed (e.g. offers expiring from Harold.) So if people can already start these that would be good
17:39kymaraI have added on a new quest there that needs testing please. I want opinions on how understandable it is, and could you choose the right thing to do at each stage?
17:39kymara(I added it to the list but it's not my quest, I didn't mean to claim that)
17:43storytellerHi Kymara :) I started the test with letting an item expire at harold
17:45storytellerand also with letting an earning expire
17:46kymarathank you
17:46storytellerYou're welcome :)
17:56storytellerHmm, when I buy my own item then it doesn't show the message that the item has been bought and I can fetch my earnings...
17:57storytellerbut when I did that before, the message was shown when I logged in again...
17:58kymaraHm, I am not sure why that would be. can you try it on main? I'll repay you the cost
17:58hendrikdoes Harold always use postman?
17:58storytellerah, the cost doesn't matter ;)
17:58kymarastoryteller: did you already try to re-log to get the message?
17:58storytelleryes, Harold uses the postman
17:58storytellerwell, Kymara, I'll try
17:58hendrikalways?
17:59kymaraI would have to look at the code to check.
17:59storytellerI dont know, Hendrik
17:59storytellerYes, I got the message from postman again at login
18:00kymaraso thats ok?
18:00kymarai mean, he did send it, it just waited till you re-log?
18:00storytellerbut it came directly somehow... just at synchronizing directly to the chatlog without a speech bubble
18:00kymaraor do you mean on main server you got it and test you never did?
18:01storytellerI'll try it on main server
18:02kymarasorry i got confused with which results you reported where.
18:04storytellerah, on main server I get the message without to have to login again
18:04hendrikstoryteller, does postman tell you?
18:04storytelleryes
18:05kymaraok, getting the message withuot having to login again is known
18:05storytelleryes
18:05kymaraon test server the only way to get a postman message is to log in
18:05storytellerah
18:05storytellerokay, then this is the reason
18:05kymarahe is not checking all the time now
18:05kymarabut we will probably change that, i think
18:06hendrikbut that may be after the release.
18:06storytellerokay, I just wondered why this message didn't came directly ;)
18:06kymaraok, you're right to wonder
18:06kymarathank you
18:06storyteller:)
18:06kymarai can't remember what was doen for the vault message
18:06kymarawhen you leave items on ground.
18:07storytellerhmm...
18:07kymarathen, it's a bit late to be told only by postman when you login
18:07storytellerthat's true
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19:21kymarait does not sem like the test server has the latest version :/
19:21kymarahm, no, it does have files dated todat
19:21kymaratoday
19:22hendrikwhat is it missing?
19:23kymaramy updates to the zeiel quest are not there.
19:23kymarazekiel
19:23kymara<Zekiel the guardian> Cassandra is a beautifull woman, but first of all a powerfull ...
19:23kymarai had fixed that
19:23kymarahe gave me the scroll when he shouldn't too
19:25kymara3154511 2010-07-19 05:02 stendhal-maps-0.85.5.jar
19:26kymaramadmetzger: i do not understand your problem with the portal.
19:34kymarahendrik can you explain this?
19:34kymarahttp://pastebin.ca/1903808
19:34kymarawhy is it trying to make the character table again?
19:35kymarai got a black screen when i first logged in so i got a bit scared something had gone wrong
19:39CIA-66arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: Change the reject message for the candle-spots to be clearer that you don't put the candle on the spot, you walk there with it
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19:46Laguzhello all
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19:47kymarahi Laguz
19:47kymaraI made some notes on the bugs tracker about some things to tweak before release
19:48kymarai assigned some of them to you as i guess you might have a preference how to do them
19:48Laguzok
19:48kymaraCan I ask, why is the portal to return to zekiel the guardian on each step a Use-only (not walk into) portal?
19:49Laguzthank you
19:49kymarayw
19:49kymarathe ones in the centre of the floor i mean
19:49Laguzoh, its just a help for players with bad coordination^^
19:50Laguzi mean its just that u not walk in by< mistake and the quest starts new
19:50Laguzif u think ot snot need we can do it as normal portal
19:53kymarai think thats better, yes
19:53kymaraor have a small messaging area around each to explain it
19:54kymarai guess the ones in front of teh creatures it's ok that you 'use'
19:54kymarabut since they are not teleport portals, shoudl teh colour be the same?
19:54kymaramaybe you should have some other icon there
19:54Laguzill check that
19:55Laguzit was a little bit different planed
19:55kymarabecause having blue sprakly squares normally meaning in this zone that you teleport and then other ones meaning you don't teleport is strange
19:55Laguzyes
19:55kymaramaybe you can think of soemthing else like a question mark image showing you have to 'choose'
19:56Laguzi read the bugreport about the "scroll"
19:56kymaraand maybe near each of those choice spots by the creature should be the information that you should 'use' the (whatever thing you choose there) to select that creature as teh representative of teh wizard
19:56Laguzin this case its true, we cant let it be called just "scroll"
19:57kymarayes
19:57Laguzbut in my opinion the corrct way were to correct "empty scroll" to "empty teleport sroll"
19:57Laguzits just to bad for use
19:57Laguza long name
19:58Laguzand the others to teleport scroll to, why should a normal scroll teleporting anything
19:58kymarablank scroll ?
19:58kymaratemplate scroll ?
19:59Laguznp, i dont care
19:59Laguzblank scroll sounds good
20:00Laguzill add it to the bugreport, ok?
20:00madmetzgerkymara: i was walking onto the portal without the candle and got pushed back by the portal. when i continued walking that way towards it i got kicked pretty fast
20:00Laguzor do u prefer template scroll?
20:01kymaramadmetzger: I tested it and I do not get that behaviour
20:01Laguzbecause its all the same to me, just choose which one fiot better
20:01kymaramadmetzger: didn't you get the reject message?
20:01madmetzgeryes, i got it
20:01kymaraso why did you keep walking?
20:01madmetzgeri wasn't walking that long when i got kicked
20:02kymaraIt must be something different with windows
20:02madmetzgeri thought i could walk onto it without triggering the portal
20:02kymaraEven if I hold down the key this does not happen forme
20:02madmetzgershall we go there and i show you?
20:02kymarai'm by one
20:02kymaraif i hold it down it tries once and does not try again.
20:05madmetzgeron windows it does
20:07kymaraYou must hold your candle over this spot, walk here with a candle and it will float.
20:07kymarais that a better reject message?
20:07kymaraBefore it was :
20:07kymaraThis is the spot where you have to put in the candle.
20:07madmetzgeryes, that sounds like a better reject message
20:07kymaraAnd you did not realise that meant you needed a candle?
20:08kymaraI am not sure why, though, the original didn't make it clear to you you need a candle?
20:08madmetzgerno, i didn't realize that i should have it equipped
20:08madmetzgerit was a lot of text...
20:08kymarawhere di dyou have it?
20:08madmetzgeri put it there on the ground
20:08CIA-66arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: fix typo
20:08kymaraok, good, so this one tells you to hold it now.
20:09kymaraYes, it's a lot of text. I am not sure about how players are going to cope with it
20:09madmetzgeri think that's much better
20:09kymaraOk.
20:09kymaraI don't know what to do about it flooding if you just run at it with the key held down on windows.
20:09madmetzgeri had to read it multiple times, to get it.
20:10madmetzgeri don't know really what to do there, too.
20:10madmetzgera first idea would be to allow walking there without triggering the portal constantly?
20:13kymarait's actually a Door atm
20:13kymaraI don't know if a portal would behave different.
20:13kymaracould you try a portal by a creature after you already selected it correctly?
20:14kymaramaybe there is some difference between door and portal there
20:14kymarabut there was a reason Laguz wanted Door
20:14madmetzgerokay, i can have a try
20:18madmetzgerif i use a portal by a creature i get teleported back to zekiel the guardian
20:19madmetzgerthat seems okay to me, i'd prefer to have the candle removed by a wrong portal if already the right one was chosen
20:19madmetzgerbut it's not a big deal
20:19kymaraI said to pick the right portal
20:19kymaratry a portal by a creature after you have already selected it correctly
20:20madmetzgeroh, i got that wrong
20:20kymaraafter that it will reject you, and we can test if when you run into it on reect it does the same thing, i was thinking
20:20kymarabut actually you can't 'run' into those
20:20kymarawell, never mind. you can try some other Portal as opposed to door if you want to test it but as i said i think laguz had a reason to use door.
20:20madmetzgeryes, using one again gives me a reject message
20:21kymarayes, i know that
20:21madmetzgerbut you can't run into those portals
20:21kymarabut i wanted you to see ab#out the run behaviour
20:21kymarayes
20:21kymarai said that!!!
20:21kymarai realised i was wrong: < kymara> but actually you can't 'run' into those
20:21madmetzgeryes, sorry
20:22kymaraso another would be the one to enter teh catacombs if you have not done teh vs quest.
20:23madmetzgerokay, i can have a look. my char is cleaned atm
20:24madmetzgeri can run onto it and get plenty of reject messages
20:25madmetzgerthe differnce i've noticed is that you see that one on the minimap and the door not. maybe that was one of the reasons?
20:26Laguzsorry, i had to read the log to follow you
20:27Laguzyes, the spot, whereu have to put the candle, is hidden
20:27kymarayou can set portals hidden too, though.
20:27Laguzon minimap, cause its not a portal for the players logical
20:27Laguzyes
20:27kymaraso then maybe it doesn't need to be a door, now?
20:28Laguzthe truth is
20:28kymarai guessed it was useful because it could destroy the key. but we can do that with an action now?
20:28Laguzi cant remember why they are doors, i just know that we talked about that some time ago
20:28Laguzah yes
20:28Laguzthats it
20:28Laguzbut now we can do this with axction portal right
20:28kymarayes
20:28Laguzok then we can change it to portal now
20:28kymaraportals have the same behaviour if you do just run at them, though.
20:29Laguzyes i know, it was because of keydestroyingdoor
20:29Laguzit has to destroy the candle
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20:29Laguzbeside, the reject message is nice kymara
20:30kymarathank you
20:30Laguzits better then my, i couldnt find the corrct words
20:30kymarawould it be very hard to make the sparkly area more obvious
20:30kymarathe contrast isn't too high on my monitor maybe
20:30Laguzthe truth^^
20:30Laguzyes
20:31kymaraor a small messaging area around the sparkly area to again explain what you are looking for
20:31Laguzhm, the better way were to let it more sparkling
20:31kymaralike : 'You step onto a sparkling corner of the hexagram, this must be what Zekiel the guardian was talking about'
20:31Laguzthis sounds good too
20:31kymaraok, so long as they noticed the part of this text which explained to look for teh sparkle place
20:32Laguzthe players has to move there anyway to check the creature
20:32kymaraso they might notice it then, you mean?
20:33Laguzbut the message will always be shown if they move there right?
20:33Laguzits annoying
20:33Laguzthough, its just for the first step i think
20:34kymarathat could work. as well as making the sparkle more obvious so that it's easier to find the next ones.
20:34Laguzthis sounds so long winded, we should maybe not add so much text
20:34kymara:D
20:35Laguzi mean general, not in this case special
20:35kymarawell, i have said to you many times i am worrie dbaout how much information zekiel the g. has to give
20:35Laguz*specialy
20:35kymarathat is why i suggested things like the scroll.
20:35kymaraand the messaging area will help too.
20:35kymarabut any other ideas may help also
20:35Laguzok
20:35kymaraagain maybe a messagaing area by the first creature?
20:36Laguzfirst creature?
20:36kymaralike 'this looks like a creature matching the theme of the wizard owning the level ... perhaps this is the one to select'
20:36kymarathe crceature you pick at the first step.
20:36Laguzaah
20:36Laguza hint
20:37Laguzyes, for the first step its ok
20:38kymaraok.
20:38kymarado you want to test and see if it works?
20:38Laguzok this are two messaging areas, one for the sparkling sport and the other for the hint
20:38kymarathere's already a messaging area over the whole zone when you enter it
20:38kymaraso we'll have to see if you can layer another one on it.
20:38kymarawell, another two :)
20:39Laguzhm ok
20:39Laguzi have to notice something...
20:42Laguzok next point
20:42Laguzshall we remove the ice scroll for next release, or what do u mean with it will misleading?
20:42hendrikthe ice scroll is really confusing.
20:43Laguzwhy?
20:43hendrikthe npc make it look like it will protect you from fire elements.
20:43Laguz?
20:43Laguzi cant believe that
20:43Laguzim sure she dont say anyhting like this
20:44Laguzlet me check
20:44kymara"It is able to protect you from dangerous heat, depends on how you use it"
20:44hendrikI am rather sure that this will create work for /support
20:44Laguzyes, this is exactly what it does for the quest...
20:45kymarabut not all dangerous heat.
20:45kymaraand the quest isnt' active yet
20:46kymarait sounds like it would protect you from creatures who do fire damage, imho
20:47storytellerhmm, yes the word "protect" may make players think they are immune against fire...
20:47Laguzok i have an idea
20:47Laguzlets say
20:48Laguzit protects from natural fire or heat?
20:48Laguzi dont know how to say
20:48storytellerwhat does it really do?
20:48Laguzbecause this is really what it does for the quest, you cvan move with it over the lava
20:48hendrikif the quest is not active, yet, can we remove the npc from the next release?
20:48storytellerah okay
20:49kymarai think it's ok if she's there just not the part that mentioned ice scrolls ...
20:49Laguznot the npc, but the scroll
20:49Laguzyes
20:49storytelleryes, kymara
20:49kymaraand likewise zekiel not to make scrolls or rift cloaks
20:49Laguzyes this is ok, if it could confuse players
20:50kymarawell, she can even mention them :) just not give them
20:50storytelleror that ;)
20:50kymaraLike, : I am too busy to talk to you, I'm trying to perfect this spell to enchant ice scrolls
20:50storytelleryes
20:50storytellershe just isnt ready with the scrolls ;)
20:50Laguzsounds good
20:50kymarajust not then respond to 'ice scrolls' and not have it blue
20:50CIA-66arianne_rpg: nhnb * marauroa/src/marauroa/server/marauroa_init.sql: fixed sql statement to create character table
20:51kymarazekiel can not mentioned rift cloak, or scrolls, too, and to offer he can explain his supplies are limited?
20:52CIA-66arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/libs/marauroa.jar: updated marauroa
20:52Laguzim unsure
20:53kymaraThe seven wizards in the spire above have bought up all my supplies. Each is working hard to establish their magic type so that remains an important part of the Wizards circle
20:53kymarasomething like that
20:53kymarawhy would he still make scrolls when there i sno use
20:53Laguzlike the store refills in time
20:53kymara./support what is a blank scorll for?
20:53kymara./support where is the magical rift for the cloak?
20:53Laguzthis of course, the scroll should removed too
20:54kymaraok, cool. and yes, the store will get refilled in time
20:54storytelleror she is experimenting with magic and doesn't know what the scroll will do...
20:54Laguzim just thinking how we can remove it from behave but not delete
20:54kymaracomment it out?
20:54Laguzi mean the behave if the player asks
20:54Laguzwhen i ask for rift cloak, he should answer something
20:55hendrikare there any hints about "rift cloak" elsewhere?
20:55Laguzwe could just add the same i think..
20:55Laguzno, but the item is visible at the item list already
20:55kymaraIf noone else hints that he should say it (and he does not either) then it's fine
20:56kymaraLaguz: how would they know to ask him for it?
20:56kymarathey might also ask him for mithril armor.
20:56kymaraor you can remove it from the list.
20:56Laguzit could happen that players ask and he doesnt answer now, but later he will
20:56hendrikthat's okay
20:56kymarayes, that's fine :)
20:57Laguzwhat?
20:57Laguzremove from the list?
20:57kymarait's not a problem if a player asks something now and he doesn't respond but he does later
20:57Laguzah
20:57Laguzok then, we should just comment it out, thats easy
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20:58Laguzok ill notice that
21:00Laguzill comment out "rift cloak", rename "scroll" to "blank scroll" and cassandra doesnt enchant "blank scrolls" at moment
21:01hendrikLaguz, thanks
21:01Laguzi think this is ok, players will know future use for "blank scroll"
21:01Laguzok?
21:01Laguzhendrik, i thank you for testing :)
21:02hendrikat least they will hopefully not confuse it with empty scroll.
21:02hendrikLaguz, kymara did way more testing than me.
21:04Laguzi know, shes the ultimate beta tester :D
21:04Laguzhm
21:05Laguzwe could name it empty parchment, but parchment is not made of wood
21:05Laguzdo we have any animal skins?^^
21:06storytellerAh, feature request idea: It just came to my mind because of talking about magic and animal skins ;D
21:06kymaraactually paper is very often made from cotton
21:06kymaraor cotton and linen
21:07storytellerWhat about if you fail a wizards test he or she may turn you into a animal, like a frog or so? ;)
21:07kymara'how many trees would it take to make 1,000,000 dollar notes?'
21:07kymaranone
21:07Laguzok, but in the past it was made of wood
21:08kymaraok :)
21:08Laguzexcept we need chlor free bleached high end paper for magic scrolls
21:12kymaraLaguz: do you want me to make 'requests' about all the things we talked about so you dont' forget
21:12kymarathere was quite a lot now
21:13Laguzit would be nice for the reject messages, you find the much better words
21:13Laguzthank you
21:13kymarai changed the ones on the sparkle spots
21:14kymaraalready
21:14kymarabut i can list the rest: the images for the chosen creature spots, the messaging areas, etc
21:15Laguzescpecialy the reject and hint messages
21:16Laguzoh and ill ad a respond for zekiel to "offer", but he will not behave like a sellerNPC, ok?
21:17Laguzits a special feature, he dont just sell anything
21:17Laguzplayers have to ask him for
21:18CIA-66arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/ (3 files in 3 dirs): distinct between one or multiple items in the messages (fixes #3031751)
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21:19Laguzyou know, the behave is different to say "buy..."
21:23kymarayes.
21:23kymarathough you could probably add that if you tried.
21:23kymaraif you add a trigger for 'buy'
21:23kymarai gae you an example response for offer so i pasted that in for now
21:23Laguzok thank you
21:24kymaraand i made the other requests that we talked about. these are under the developer tracker as they are not so much bugs as tasks to improve
21:24kymarabut i assigned them to you so i hope you can find them easily.
21:26Laguzalright
21:29CIA-66arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/ados/church/VergerNPC.java: fix a typo
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21:32kymarai losta file in eclipse, can i getit back?
21:32kymaramy tests weren't running last night (because i had 'fixed' the build path ofmy whole project but i'd had it set like that for tests)
21:32kymaraso i deleted the new postman script i made thinking that was at fault
21:32kymarabut i didn't commit that change
21:32kymaranow when i update it doesn't come back
21:32kymaranormal cvs would let it
21:33hendrikdo you want to restore the version that is in eclipse?
21:33hendrikin CVS
21:33kymarayes
21:33kymarabut not the whole folder
21:33kymarai have uncommited changes in teh folder i'm holding back for months now :P
21:33hendrikIs the file an outgoing change in the synchronize view?
21:34kymarayes
21:34kymarai don't do synchronise
21:34kymara'override and update' ?
21:34hendrikplease right click it and select "Override and update"
21:34hendrikyes
21:34kymarathank you!
21:34hendrikyour welcome.
21:34kymarayou're
21:34hendrikthank you.
21:41CIA-66arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/script/DumpPostmanTable.java: replace mysql escape character \ with \\ (looks like replace("\\","\\\\") !
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22:19CIA-66arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/achievements/AchievementNotifier.java: split up logging and notifying into separate methods
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