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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-07-21
Timestamps are in server time.
| 01:21 | postman-bot | obelisco rented a sign saying "buy 2 dark dangger tell my" |
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| 09:06 | kiheru | about the ellipse size for large creatures: I could try to make it so that it's squeezed toward 1/sqrt(2), but never more than by a tile. ie the top & bottom would not err by more than half a tile |
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| 10:20 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/stats/KarmaIndicator.java: Do GUI updates in the EDT |
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| 11:01 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/map/MapPanel.java: Do size updates in EDT. Javadoc. |
| 11:05 | kymara | what does edt mean? |
| 11:07 | kiheru | event dispatch thread |
| 11:08 | kiheru | swing requires practically everything gui related done there |
| 11:08 | kymara | to not have threadign issues, or? |
| 11:09 | kiheru | I'm fairly sure there are plenty of violations of that rule around, even though I have been trying to fix those when I notice them |
| 11:10 | kiheru | it's to avoid threading issues within swing |
| 11:10 | kymara | will that last commit potentially fix some of the minimap issues people noticed? |
| 11:12 | kiheru | possibly. could be related to bugs when switching maps, but I can not really know that for sure |
| 11:14 | hendrik | kiheru, could you have a look at the key-flooding issue: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3031689&group_id=1111&atid=101111 ? |
| 11:16 | kymara | that is nto new. |
| 11:16 | kymara | and you can reproduce on linux rather easily, which is how i know it's not new. |
| 11:16 | kymara | Not with portals, but you can reproduce it with wells using direction key and alt -gr |
| 11:16 | kymara | and that has been the case for months, as i tried it months ago. |
| 11:17 | hendrik | okay, the last comment said it was not reproduceable with the release client. |
| 11:17 | kymara | really? |
| 11:17 | kymara | that surprises me, but ok. maybe the portals changed. |
| 11:27 | madmetzger | i reproduced it even without a portal, i guess it is not portal related |
| 11:28 | kiheru | I don't have windows to test with, and I'm unable to reproduce it in linux. Maybe my changes to keyboard handling broke it and should be reverted |
| 11:40 | kymara | which ones? to support mac users? |
| 11:41 | kiheru | related to turning with mouse |
| 11:41 | kymara | madmetzger: when you find extra info can you update bug report title to make them accurate |
| 11:41 | kymara | for example i updated it from specifying the candle quest, to say that it was reject portals and windows |
| 11:42 | kymara | since then you found more information. the issue now looks more critical but you can't tell that at a glance. |
| 11:43 | madmetzger | okay, i'll update the bug report |
| 11:43 | kymara | thank you. |
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| 12:21 | Bart_ | Hello |
| 12:21 | Bart_ | How do i build the client into a jar? |
| 12:26 | Bart_ | hello? |
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| 12:47 | Bart_ | How do i build the client into a jar? |
| 12:48 | kiheru | Bart_: ant dist_client_binary |
| 12:49 | Bart_ | and in stendhal? |
| 12:49 | Bart_ | ant doesnt work for meh |
| 12:49 | Bart_ | i use win7 btw |
| 12:49 | Bart_ | i mean eclipse |
| 12:49 | Bart_ | sorry |
| 12:51 | Bart_ | I need the .jar file for the client. I did it before, but can't find it. |
| 12:51 | kymara | please use ant dist |
| 12:51 | kymara | the special client only ones got broken last release i think. |
| 12:51 | kiheru | hmm, it's best to get ant and use that |
| 12:51 | kymara | but ant dist will do it too. |
| 12:54 | Bart_ | Yes. How does ant work on win7? I can't find any how-2's |
| 12:54 | Bart_ | or maybe there is a compile.bat file somewhere? |
| 12:55 | Bart_ | How do i use ant? |
| 12:55 | Bart_ | i got it on my desktop... |
| 12:55 | kiheru | from the command line. cd to the stendhal folder (the source one) and type ant dist |
| 12:56 | kiheru | ant needs to be on the PATH, (the current dir is by default in window, so you can simply copy it there) |
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| 13:03 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/sprite/ImageSprite.java: removed unused fields |
| 13:03 | bart_ | I hate my internet connection. |
| 13:04 | kymara | bart_: there are logs you can read from our website, hendrik gave you the link yesterday, can you find them? |
| 13:04 | bart_ | yes |
| 13:04 | bart_ | i think |
| 13:05 | bart_ | But i don't know what to do: I downlaodded ant. Extracted to my desktop. ANd now? Where do i put ant? Wich commands from where? |
| 13:08 | bart_ | Okay... I got some progress: http://pastebin.com/51fyxGEL |
| 13:09 | kiheru | the easiest is probably copy it to where you have stendhal source. (the top level folder; the one with build.xml). then open a terminal and cd to the same folder and type ant dist |
| 13:09 | bart_ | Okay, i try. |
| 13:09 | bart_ | But look at pastebin: It cant find tools.jar |
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| 13:11 | kiheru | do you have the full jdk installed, or just the jre? |
| 13:13 | bart_ | Fukll |
| 13:13 | bart_ | Jdk |
| 13:13 | bart_ | i fixed: copied tools.jar to jre folder |
| 13:13 | bart_ | but everything does okay except i get this error: |
| 13:13 | bart_ | ANT_HOME is set incorrectly or ant could not be located. Please set ANT_HOME. |
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| 13:16 | bart_ | help please! I'm sooo close! |
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| 13:18 | kiheru | uff, installing anything on windows is such a hassle |
| 13:18 | kymara | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=set+ANT+HOME |
| 13:34 | Bart_ | I did it. |
| 13:34 | Bart_ | I installed ant succesfukly |
| 13:35 | Bart_ | It works! Ant dist works! |
| 13:35 | Bart_ | Where does it places the client jar file now? |
| 13:37 | Bart_ | Huh? It makes 4 rar files/.. |
| 13:38 | hendrik | it produces .zip file. |
| 13:41 | Bart_ | yes, why |
| 13:41 | Bart_ | what can i do with it |
| 13:41 | Bart_ | they won't open... |
| 13:42 | kymara | the jars are inside a folder like build/libs or build/lib |
| 13:42 | hendrik | You might want to contact Microsoft support about how to open zip files on Micrsoft windows. |
| 13:42 | kymara | does windows 7 not come with a 'search' feature to find files where you can tell it you look for a .jar, by the way? |
| 13:43 | Bart_ | uh.. not for in a .zip file... |
| 13:43 | Bart_ | and not for file extension search |
| 13:44 | kymara | ant dist will create zips and jars, both. |
| 13:44 | Bart_ | that's kewl! |
| 13:44 | kymara | the zips are more helpful for distributing to users. |
| 13:44 | Bart_ | so.. i need to extract the zip.. and then run? |
| 13:44 | kymara | since they have all required libraries and come in the correct structure. |
| 13:44 | kymara | yes. |
| 13:44 | Bart_ | okay |
| 13:44 | Bart_ | let me test it! |
| 13:44 | Bart_ | You've been a great help, both |
| 13:45 | kymara | I'm curious: to originally play the game, didn't you download a zip? |
| 13:45 | Bart_ | yes, but i could open it |
| 13:45 | Bart_ | this one, i can't |
| 13:45 | Bart_ | for some strange reason... |
| 13:46 | Bart_ | oh... it was set to read-only and i'm not on my admin account ... stupid me |
| 13:47 | Bart_ | thanks all |
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| 14:33 | Bart_ | Hi |
| 14:58 | Bart_ | Is Miguel still in stendhal development? |
| 14:59 | Bart_ | ??? |
| 15:01 | hendrik | He left the project 3 years ago. |
| 15:01 | hendrik | or longer. |
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| 17:25 | kiheru | semos by night: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23464707/semos.png (testing a colour adjustment method) |
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| 17:48 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/sprite/ImageSprite.java: removed unused code |
| 17:49 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/sprite/TextSprite.java: minor cleanup |
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| 18:14 | storyteller | Kiheru: The picture of Semos by night is nice :) |
| 18:15 | kymara | Yes I like the tones. It looks pretty dark on my screen though, so I'd recommend a bit lighter if possible |
| 18:15 | kymara | we'll also need to be careful that the dungeons don't look too much lighter than the city by night. |
| 18:15 | storyteller | if there will be day and night in the world one time, this color of the picture would be great for the night :) |
| 18:15 | kymara | as they should not be well lit. |
| 18:16 | kymara | unles we cram in a lot of candles. |
| 18:16 | storyteller | yes |
| 18:16 | storyteller | but there would be the possibility of a nice feature: You may hold a candle then and a radius of light will be around you :) |
| 18:17 | storyteller | I already requested such a feature, as I remember... |
| 18:17 | storyteller | ;) |
| 18:18 | storyteller | and there may be light shining out of some buildings |
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| 18:23 | kiheru | it was just a test colour :-) (what it does is more or less the same as the multiply mode in gimp; in that particular image applied to every image in SpriteStore) |
| 18:25 | storyteller | hmm... |
| 18:27 | storyteller | Ah well, so if there is night, the client just turns down the color? So you don't need new graphics for it? :) |
| 18:27 | kiheru | carrying a light source (or more than one) would basically take drawing the whole map twice |
| 18:27 | storyteller | ah... |
| 18:27 | kiheru | (unless anything outside the light is completely black) |
| 18:27 | storyteller | hmm... |
| 18:29 | kiheru | server would need to send an adjustment color (as a map property, I'd think) to the client; the client can then make adjusted images as it needs them |
| 18:29 | storyteller | ah okay |
| 18:29 | kiheru | I haven't done any work whatsoever for that. just tested if adjusting the colour works |
| 18:29 | storyteller | :) |
| 18:30 | kiheru | the client will still need to keep the original images, so it'll use some more memory. (but it won't need to store adjusted images it does not need anymore) |
| 18:31 | storyteller | okay |
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| 19:03 | Laguz | hello all |
| 19:04 | kiheru | hello Laguz |
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| 19:27 | Laguz | kymara, i saw that u made 2 different requests for the hexagram. I thought i should do one of them, cause messaging area and more sparkling spots excludes each other. |
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| 21:02 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: story-teller * stendhal/data/music/the_magical_tower.ogg: Added a background music track called "The Magical Tower". The file is the_magical_tower.ogg |
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| 21:26 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/tiled/tileset/ground/hexagramm.png: increased the spark of the hexagram |
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| 21:27 | kiheru | why would they exclude each other? |
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| 21:31 | Laguz | if i increase the sparke, then its not really need to make a message area too |
| 21:31 | Laguz | anyway i did both now |
| 21:31 | Laguz | i just tghink its not need anymore cause the spark is now better visible |
| 21:33 | hendrik | Can i make the branch? |
| 21:33 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/tiled/interiors/semos/ (7 files): removed collision from the middle teleporter and changed the tile of creature-choose-portal to arrows |
| 21:35 | Laguz | hendrik, are u talking to me? |
| 21:35 | hendrik | I am talking to everyone with commit access. |
| 21:35 | Laguz | i dont know what that is |
| 21:36 | madmetzger | i wouldn't object. but we didn't decide yet what to do with achievements |
| 21:36 | madmetzger | i wouldn't mind completely deactivating them for this release |
| 21:37 | Laguz | i havent finished the work on the tower |
| 21:37 | Laguz | there are still some things |
| 21:39 | Laguz | kiheru, i realized that feature with the unlimited xp too. It was added as visiual effect for the quest step. Should i just remove the XP? |
| 21:40 | Laguz | I should add a request-message instead. |
| 21:48 | kiheru | removing the xp would be the simplest, I guess |
| 21:51 | Laguz | yes, i will move the reject message to the place of the XP |
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| 22:06 | Laguz | hendrik, is search for a action to send a message to the player. |
| 22:06 | Laguz | i* |
| 22:07 | Laguz | on the action portal i mean |
| 22:08 | hendrik | Laguz, on successful usage? |
| 22:09 | Laguz | yes |
| 22:09 | hendrik | SayTextAction |
| 22:09 | Laguz | i tried that |
| 22:09 | Laguz | doesnt work, or i used incorrect |
| 22:09 | Laguz | moment |
| 22:10 | hendrik | perhaps it does not work on zone change. |
| 22:10 | Laguz | new MultipleActions([new SayTextAction("Zekiel the guardia...")])</parameter> |
| 22:10 | Laguz | its for the candle portal |
| 22:10 | hendrik | okay, we can look at that after the release. |
| 22:10 | Laguz | the players dont leave the zone |
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| 22:11 | Laguz | after release? |
| 22:12 | Laguz | im still not finished with the tower, if u plan realese for now then we should remove the portal |
| 22:12 | hendrik | ah, portals cannot speak. |
| 22:12 | hendrik | feature freeze was yesterday, so only bugfixes are supposed to go in. |
| 22:12 | hendrik | okay. |
| 22:12 | Laguz | ah, ok |
| 22:12 | Laguz | hm |
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| 22:13 | Laguz | ok then i just can remove the XP action without to replace it with a message |
| 22:14 | Laguz | hendrik, its ok then i will continue with bugfixes |
| 22:14 | hendrik | yes |
| 22:14 | Laguz | i should be ready until the weekend |
| 22:14 | hendrik | that is way too late. |
| 22:14 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/j2d/entity/RPEntity2DView.java: don't allow much smaller ellipses than the area covered by the creature |
| 22:15 | Laguz | i thought release is at the end of month |
| 22:15 | hendrik | Perhaps we should close the complete towner? You put a huge amount of work into it and I am afraid that minor bugs will spoil it. |
| 22:15 | hendrik | Laguz, not this month. |
| 22:15 | kiheru | (bug 3031719, but I don't know if that's good enough) |
| 22:15 | hendrik | because of real life comitments. |
| 22:16 | hendrik | It is planned for Saturday. |
| 22:16 | hendrik | and we introduces huge changes to the updater, so we should do the building on Friday. |
| 22:17 | Laguz | ok, if i cant finish the bugfixes, ill close the portal |
| 22:17 | Laguz | tmorrow |
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| 22:17 | kiheru | Laguz: if you need help with some particular fix, just ask |
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| 22:19 | Laguz | thanks for the offer kiheru |
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| 23:08 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: nhnb VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/ (7 files in 4 dirs): updated version number |
| 23:08 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: Removed XP from all candle creature portals. Added the track the_magical_tower to interiors of the wizards tower. Added messaging areas arround the sparkling spot and the candle creature portal of the first step. |
| 23:10 | CIA-66 | arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/ (7 files in 4 dirs): updated version number |
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| 23:13 | omero | are there any means to obtain informations about where to find some items ingame? like the NPC giving infos on creatures for a price... |
| 23:17 | kiheru | nothing like that |
| 23:23 | omero | mmm... |
| 23:25 | omero | kiheru, could the settings, keyring and character bars be transfered to the right-click menu of the character? |
| 23:25 | omero | the bag too actually... |
| 23:25 | omero | they take away so much visual |
| 23:26 | kymara | omero: it is planned to move out all those windows. |
| 23:26 | kymara | eventually. |
| 23:27 | omero | yep |
| 23:27 | kymara | as you can see we have already moved out a lot |
| 23:27 | kymara | for not the new fixed settings panel shoudl aid usability especially for new players. |
| 23:27 | omero | move out in the sense of outside the viewport? |
| 23:27 | kymara | kiheru is not the one who put that there or added the icons or made it fixed, that was me |
| 23:27 | kymara | off the game screen itself, lke the minimap and stats and buddy was already moved out. |
| 23:28 | kymara | maybe you did not play when they all floated there. |
| 23:28 | kymara | Laguz: Do you need help to do the remaining bug fixes? |
| 23:28 | kymara | I would happily have hlped but I thought you wanted to do them, I didn't think it woudl take long as I gaveteh tets too |
| 23:28 | Laguz | im almost finished |
| 23:29 | Laguz | i have to remove the ice scroll from cassandra and the rift cloak from zekiel |
| 23:29 | kymara | ok, well done |
| 23:29 | Laguz | and tehn im finished |
| 23:29 | Laguz | but ill do that tomorrow, ill go to bed soon |
| 23:29 | Laguz | beside, i realized another weird bug |
| 23:30 | Laguz | we can test that later, im not sure how that could be |
| 23:30 | kymara | please make a bug report on any bugs you find so we know about them |
| 23:30 | kymara | sicne it is close to release |
| 23:30 | Laguz | if there is no reject message at action portals, there will be still a message |
| 23:30 | kymara | could you make it tonight? |
| 23:30 | kymara | why wouldn't you want a reject message? |
| 23:31 | kymara | yes, tehre is a default message to reject |
| 23:31 | Laguz | i tried to use SayTextMessage |
| 23:31 | kymara | and if you set one explicitly that is used |
| 23:31 | kymara | portals can't use SayTextMessage |
| 23:31 | Laguz | instead of XP to get a message direct by successfull use |
| 23:31 | kymara | they do not know what a Sentence is. |
| 23:31 | kymara | one of the very few portals can't use |
| 23:31 | Laguz | we should add that |
| 23:32 | kymara | if you want them to give xp, that is ok, but then as a bug fix we have to make the other portals remove xp. |
| 23:32 | Laguz | i removed all XP |
| 23:32 | kymara | yes, i saw |
| 23:32 | kymara | if you need a notification like xp, you can add it back in |
| 23:33 | kymara | so long as at level 1 portal to go down (bychoosing wrong or in centre ) you remove 100 xp |
| 23:33 | kymara | at level 2 portalsto go down remove 200 |
| 23:33 | kymara | etc |
| 23:33 | Laguz | no |
| 23:33 | Laguz | its ok now, i prefer a message |
| 23:34 | Laguz | but no XP i enough first |
| 23:34 | Laguz | is* |
| 23:34 | kymara | there cannot be a message before release |
| 23:34 | kymara | that is a new feature and we can't add that now. |
| 23:34 | kymara | we can do bug fixes, though |
| 23:34 | Laguz | i know, maybe ill remove the portal one more time |
| 23:35 | kymara | thats a shame. |
| 23:36 | kymara | normally releases are roughly end of the month but we do have to test |
| 23:36 | kymara | so we 'freeze' the code a week before |
| 23:36 | kymara | and say 'no new features only bug fixes' |
| 23:36 | Laguz | yes, i heard that today from hendrik |
| 23:36 | kymara | we did announce this in advance here that we planned to |
| 23:36 | kymara | a few days ago |
| 23:37 | Laguz | its np for me, its not the last release^^ |
| 23:37 | Laguz | i just dont want provisional solutions |
| 23:37 | Laguz | like XP remove if i prefer a message |
| 23:38 | Laguz | or we just use it how it is, without any XP changes |
| 23:38 | Laguz | and without message |
| 23:39 | kymara | You don't want to use a SayTextAction, anyway. |
| 23:39 | kymara | The portal should not speak out loud, it cannot speak |
| 23:39 | kymara | thats why they can't do it |
| 23:39 | kymara | I guess, what you want to do, is sent a private text message? |
| 23:39 | Laguz | yes, i thought maybe just a message like area message |
| 23:39 | kymara | That's not teh same as the portal actually talking with a chat bubble. |
| 23:40 | kymara | ok, well a say text action would be more like chat. |
| 23:41 | Laguz | i dont care, with or without bubble |
| 23:41 | Laguz | its all nice |
| 23:41 | kymara | i think it would look verystrange to have a speech bubble come from a portal :) |
| 23:41 | Laguz | ^^ |
| 23:42 | Laguz | we could use this for other effects |
| 23:43 | Laguz | speaking items :D |
| 23:43 | Laguz | "dont touch me!" |
| 23:45 | Laguz | ok, ill go to bed now im very sleepy |
| 23:45 | Laguz | cu tomorrow |
| 23:45 | Laguz | gn8 |
| 23:45 | kymara | good night |
| 23:45 | -!- | Laguz [~Miranda<(a)>p57B0AC71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Laguz] |
| 23:54 | kymara | kiheru: thanks for looking atthe drawn target bug |
| 23:55 | kiheru | yw. I hope it's better now |
| 23:55 | kymara | did you close the report? |
| 23:56 | kiheru | I haven't closed it yet. wanted to know what people think about it |
| 23:57 | kymara | ok |
| 23:58 | kiheru | (I still haven't closed the bug about mac copy paste. I need someone to test it) |
| 23:58 | kymara | yes |
| 23:58 | kymara | did you try ebricca or torvald in game? |
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