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08:24	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/data/conf/items/documents.xml: fix extra tag
08:24	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/data/conf/items/documents.xml: remove ice scroll and blank scroll, they are not used in this release and so they shouldn't appear on items page. also i do not think they should be in 'documents' anyway.
08:28	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/tiled/tileset/ground/hexagramm.png:
08:28	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: Backport mkvii's changes :
08:28	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: -increased the spark of the hexagram
08:28	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: -removed graphic bugs
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08:33	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/semos/wizardstower/ (WizardsGuardStatueSpireNPC.java BlueIceSorceressNPC.java): backport removal of special items which are not used yet in this release
08:34	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/npc/action/SendPrivateMessageAction.java: backport send private message action
08:37	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml:
08:37	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: backport changes to the wizards tower:
08:37	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: - messages on successful use of portal
08:37	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: - messaging areas to help at first stage
08:37	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: - removed nonexisting sound
08:37	kymara	and added a music, that got skipped cos i split my message over lines
08:37	kymara	the_magical_tower
08:39	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/script/DumpPostmanTable.java: backport: write to file not server.log
08:56	kymara	in theory, test server is now running off branch 0.86
08:56	kymara	and the 0.86 client should be there to dowbload as well as 0.86.5 (should be no difference, pls try with 0.86 if you are going to download it)
09:00	kymara	i cleaned up all the old ones like 0.84.5 yesterday but they hang around , i think they're in the build and don't get cleaned for whatever reason :(
09:00	kymara	2010-07-23 08:51:27 WARN [marauroad ] Engine ( 130) - Chief Falatheen Humble Dishwasher: Adding ambiguous state transition: [ATTENDING,offer,ATTENDING,null] existingAction='null' newAction='games.stendhal.server.entity.npc.behaviour.adder.BuyerAdder$1<(a)>3d511e'
09:00	kymara	i didn't normally see these.
09:01	kymara	spotted them in http://xplanner.homelinux.net/log/server.log for a few buyers, Merenwen too.
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13:43	omero	I'd like to testout the hoeing NPC I've been preparing... the wiki has a section on implementing quests but haven't found anything specific on adding the NPC to the world
13:46	kymara	One moment
13:48	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/HowToAddMapsServerStendhal#Adding_NPCs
13:48	kymara	The java way, please.
13:49	kymara	You can look at some existing npcs for examples just check they use the java way (a zone configurator not a SpeakerNPCFactory)
13:49	kymara	i am not sure how much use that guide really gets, if it is missing stuff i apologise, i would read it in hand with a specific example.
13:50	omero	ok
13:50	omero	it's a start
13:50	omero	thanks kymara
13:50	kymara	I just noticed it did not have the zone configurator part or configureZone
13:50	omero	I've been browsing the NPCs and noticed that some need XML data while others implement all in the java code
13:51	kymara	yes
13:51	omero	I'd had gone with the java way
13:51	kymara	did you spot the TODOs?
13:51	omero	yep
13:51	kymara	They should hint to you that the xml way is not right.
13:51	omero	that catched my eyes
13:51	kymara	Good.
13:51	kymara	That's why I added them :)
13:52	omero	if the hoeing npc turns out ok, I'd like to also add one that bakes cherry and apple pies
13:53	kymara	That sounds good.
13:53	omero	cherries are dropped by littlewitches other than being found inside presents :)
13:53	kymara	yes.
13:53	kymara	you may find some inside some houses too.
13:54	omero	the only issue troubling me are the ingredients: milk, flour, and... eggs
13:54	kymara	you have a request about eggs open
13:54	omero	yep
13:54	omero	is that being considered?
13:54	kymara	yes
13:54	omero	ohh that's good news then :)
13:54	kymara	for example hens could drop them or they could 'grow' on the nests
13:55	kymara	i just need to check if they're down as a weekly item quest item, and move it to daily if so.
13:55	omero	poor hens :) I'd prefer the 2nd option
13:55	kymara	they're also an item for the jailed barbarian quest, i think?
13:55	omero	uhm
13:55	kymara	so it trhows the balance of that out a bit.
13:55	kymara	i haven't checked this is just from memory
13:56	omero	how about making the snarfkins eggs a rare kind and have the others just common (not too hard) to find?
13:57	omero	painting the snarfking egg violet or green or something like that andh create a new item doesn't sound that hard... I'd volunteer for that
13:57	kymara	they could drop one of the other existing eggs
13:57	kymara	but that's not the issue.
13:57	kymara	it would need to change the item needed for the jailed barbarian quest, you see
13:57	kymara	he asks for eggs, say
13:57	kymara	which were rare
13:57	kymara	making them less rare then changes the difficulty and scope of the quest
13:58	omero	ok, lets that quest require a rare_egg item then :)
13:58	kymara	ok, have you checked what the quest state looks like?
13:58	omero	and we have rare_egg item dropped by the snarfkin
13:58	kymara	does it store the word 'egg' and he compared direct to it?
13:58	kymara	what about the players he already told he needed an egg?
13:58	omero	mm
13:58	kymara	and then we change it?
13:58	omero	right
13:58	kymara	isn't that confusing and even unfair?
13:59	omero	I know
13:59	kymara	I'm not shouting I'm just listing the things to think about
13:59	kymara	which is why i didn't instantly just add a bunch of eggs :)
13:59	omero	instead of rare_egg, hens will drop hen_egg
14:00	kymara	the item name of that white egg is just egg.
14:00	kymara	i think if eggs are needed for food items they should just be called egg
14:00	kymara	that is normal use in real life
14:01	omero	this is a classic chicken and egg problem :P
14:01	kymara	we can change what lorenz requires, would just need to add some sentence like 'did i ask you for an egg? i meant poisoned egg' or whatever
14:01	kymara	and also that from the start he asks for poisoned egg, etc
14:01	kymara	rotten egg is probably the name i'm thinking of
14:01	omero	sounds good to me
14:02	kymara	for me it fits to snarfkin because they are poisonous
14:02	omero	ah! green egg then :D
14:02	kymara	i can deal with lorenz, the snarfkins and the weekly quest
14:02	kymara	if you want to deal with the nests, making eggs grow there
14:03	kymara	i don't think it's green egg i think it's rotten egg but again i ddin't check
14:03	kymara	there is a green one with erd dots
14:03	kymara	red
14:03	omero	the spotted egg
14:03	omero	where should I start looking for the nests?
14:05	omero	ah... the piemaker location... I was thinking the rightmost room in kirdneh's bar next to where everyone goes training
14:06	postman-bot	slady rented a sign saying "Selling 100 greater potions for a good price, ask Harold"
14:06	omero	I'd like to place it in kirdneh but there's no spots at the market and all houses seems to be taken
14:12	kymara	what about ados market, though
14:12	kymara	in ados city n2
14:12	kymara	the nests are in the farm, 0 ados forest w2
14:12	kymara	and on teh road out there outside pdiddi's house on 0 semos road e
14:13	kymara	well the hens are there, not all necessarily have nests
14:14	kymara	you can add stuff. and i think the hens by pdiddi are enclosed. time for a gate :)
14:15	kymara	what about kalavan for your pie maker too, or the farmhouse in ados forest w2
14:19	omero	Ill check all the locations ... kalavan sounds good though
14:20	omero	the farm area is where the beekeeper is?
14:20	omero	ah sorry... ados not fado
14:20	kymara	the farm areas is in ados forest w2
14:20	kymara	where Paul walks around.
14:21	kymara	kalavan has a house with old granny graham
14:21	kymara	but she is already 'producing' tea and you cannot produce more than one item
14:22	omero	I see lots of small houses in 0_fado_forest_s
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14:25	kymara	albino elves would not make cherry pies i think
14:26	kiheru	that's the area with the beekeeper
14:27	omero	mmm... never met any there... did I miss something?
14:27	kiheru	the other huts than his would be free
14:28	omero	yep, the beekeeper is there but he wouldnt feel in competition with a lady making cherry pies, would he?
14:28	kiheru	cherry pies need something to sweeten them
14:29	omero	Im now catching something kymara just said though: ... and you cannot produce more than one ite
14:29	kymara	yes.
14:29	kymara	more than one type of item
14:29	omero	I was actually thinking about both cherry and apple pies
14:29	kymara	sorry i had understood you meant all in one
14:29	kymara	ok so i guess you need two npcs.
14:29	omero	so I'd need 2 npc
14:29	omero	gh
14:29	omero	ok
14:29	omero	no problem
14:29	omero	martha got a sister
14:30	kymara	can't she have a brother, stewart ?
14:30	kiheru	one hut has a cauldron & bottles around it. that would fit more someone who makes drinks better (a brewer?)
14:30	kymara	still a shame we didn't get the sugar cane gfx off geomac
14:30	kymara	but at least i did teh work for the cane field
14:31	omero	uhu! ruhm?
14:32	omero	kymara I thought about a twin sister (I'd just need to maybe alter hair/dress color for the npc outfit)
14:34	kymara	i was only joking.
14:34	kymara	i figured you meant martha as in martha stewart the famous american baker.
14:36	omero	lol... that was the 1st name that came to mind... is there a Martha famous baker?
14:36	kymara	yes --^
14:36	*	kiheru wonders how hard it would be to have multiple producer behaviours per npc
14:37	*	kymara would much rather refactor the producer code first.
14:37	kymara	it's fine for a 'user', easy.
14:38	kymara	but the code itself neesd to use standard conditions and actions.
14:38	kymara	ditto buyer and selelr
14:39	kiheru	ok
15:54	omero	uhm... I'm trying to understand how to actually place the NPC where I want it to be
15:55	kymara	npc.setPosition(x,y)
15:55	omero	lets take the hoeing man: I'd like he to be hoeing in 0_semos_plain_ne
15:55	kymara	down by where you set the outfit
15:56	omero	what I miss is where I should define that he's in 0_semos_plain_ne
15:56	kymara	We need to tell the zone to load this configuration class file.
15:56	kymara	The map she's on is called int_ados_magician_house, so the information is inside the <zone name="int_ados_magician_house" file="interiors/ados/magician_house.tmx"> </zone> section.
15:57	kymara	add the line : <configurator class-name="games.stendhal.server.maps.ados.magician_house.WizardNPC" />
15:57	kymara	right after the <zone ... tmx">
15:58	kymara	choose your package wisely also please, just to keep things tidy really.
15:58	kymara	so your file shoudl be in .. server/maps/semos/plains/
15:58	omero	uhm... I'm even more confused now... I thought hoeing man was to be put in the farm area (just below the mill)
15:58	omero	ah ok
15:58	kymara	I was pasting from the wiki page.
15:58	kymara	Pastign exactly so you could refer to it
15:59	kymara	I know you are not making a wizard
15:59	kymara	it would not be in a magicians house.
15:59	kymara	Finally, please could you ensure your java class name follows our conventions, use the 'role' of the NPC not the first name
16:00	kymara	e.g. BakerNPC or even better PieMakerNPC would be appropriate
16:00	omero	found the spot you're referring to
16:00	omero	public class HoeingManNPC
16:01	omero	I'm going with easy one 1st... I'll take on the piemaker npc when I got all the process clear
16:01	omero	one last question: what's npc.setEntityClass() for?
16:02	kymara	have you seen this in examples or the wiki?
16:02	omero	setting its class to a PNG image that exists at data/sprites/npc <<--?
16:02	kymara	ok, on the wiki that is takign parameter which is the sprite for the image
16:02	kymara	yes, so that is what it says it is used for
16:03	omero	so if I have hoeingnpc.png it will use that
16:04	omero	npc.setEntityClass("hoeingmannpc");
16:04	omero	and then have data/sprites/npc/hoeingmannpc.png
16:05	kymara	are you using an IDE?
16:05	omero	nope
16:05	kymara	oh well.
16:05	omero	just vi(m)
16:06	kymara	I'm just not 100% positive that's the current method name for it so it's a shame
16:06	kymara	but if you can look at an example
16:06	kymara	then you'll see
16:06	kymara	open up Carmen's for example.
16:07	kymara	she'd be semos/city/HealerNPC.java if yuo dont' have grep.
16:07	kymara	and her image is healernpc
16:07	omero	ok, was checking Jennyy the Miller
16:08	kymara	oh that's fine
16:08	kymara	she'll be a woman_ blah picture i think?
16:08	kymara	sorry carmen is welcomernpc picture, anyway
16:09	omero	she's npc.setEntityClass("woman_003_npc");
16:09	omero	and the sprite is woman_003_npc.png
16:09	omero	sounds easy :)
16:09	kymara	yes, and the wiki had also explained it
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16:20	storyteller	Hmm, at the wizards tower... can the music at the top of the map get a larger radius again? It is very small and there is a quite large area without music now between the tower and the upper zone...
16:20	storyteller	the music at the top is on full volume at the one tile and off at the next tile...
16:21	storyteller	hmm, sounds a bit jerky then when you walk there...
16:22	storyteller	it was good as it was before...
16:25	kymara	is this on current test server?
16:25	kymara	laguz made quite a few music changes and i could not test those.
16:25	kymara	he added the track the_magical_tower too.
16:25	storyteller	yes, it is
16:25	storyteller	yes :)
16:26	storyteller	but the radius thingy at the outside area should be changed again...
16:26	kymara	i guess it is still possible to make changes but i can't test any of those.
16:26	storyteller	I don't know what the original radius was...
16:27	storyteller	I'll try it out and change it then
16:27	Bluelads4	bbl
16:27	Bluelads4	oh
16:27	Bluelads4	sorry
16:27	storyteller	nevermind :)
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16:27	kymara	storyteller: http://arianne.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/arianne/stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml?r1=1.230&r2=1.231 may show the changes
16:28	kymara	i don't see a radius change.
16:28	storyteller	ah, okay, thank you, Kymara :)
16:28	storyteller	hmmm...
16:28	storyteller	was it even changed before this change?
16:28	kymara	http://arianne.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/arianne/stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml?r1=1.229&r2=1.230 has some radius changes, that was the previous edit.
16:28	storyteller	I havent tested...
16:30	storyteller	Oo, there is it: He changed he radius from 13 to 3
16:31	storyteller	may be a mistake as he may not have hit the "1"...
16:31	storyteller	I will correct that
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16:35	storyteller	Yes, that was the bug :)
16:35	omero	kymara, I got hoeingman on my local server
16:35	omero	only the outfit isn't right...
16:35	omero	some conversion issue I suppose
16:36	kymara	omero: well done.
16:36	kymara	what is not right?
16:36	kymara	incorrect parts showing in animation frame?
16:36	kymara	gfx not found?
16:36	omero	it appears as a very tiny 4x4 garbage
16:37	omero	I set the class to be hoeingmannpc.png and just checked it's there
16:37	kymara	do the examples you saw have .png ?
16:37	kymara	or do they drop it?
16:37	omero	the png file is the one I get from using the converter on the (altered with gimp) charas png
16:37	storyteller	Okay, the bug is fixed now :)
16:38	kymara	it should be dropped, omero, the .png part
16:38	omero	no .png extensions
16:38	kymara	thanks storyteller
16:38	storyteller	You're welcome :)
16:38	omero	ah sorry
16:38	omero	the class is just 'hoeingmannpc'
16:38	omero	without the .png extension
16:38	kymara	yes
16:38	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: story-teller * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: Fixed the radius bug of the music source at the top of the wizards tower area. Set the radius from "3" to "13" again.
16:39	kymara	do you have any client errors?
16:39	omero	npc.setEntityClass("hoeingmannpc");
16:39	kymara	does the image itself have 3 frames across and 4 down or is it just 1? (maybe you cropped it for looking at it and then forgot)
16:39	kymara	if you do 'file' does it think it's a png?
16:40	omero	$identify hoeingmannpc.png
16:40	omero	hoeingmannpc.png PNG 144x256 144x256+0+0 8-bit DirectClass 5.56KB 0.000u 0:00.010
16:40	omero	let me identify others
16:41	omero	elfbankernpc.png PNG 144x256 144x256+0+0 8-bit DirectClass 7.97KB 0.000u 0:00.000
16:41	omero	looks good to me
16:42	omero	ah
16:42	omero	ERROR [main] SpriteStore.java ( 201) - Can't find ref: data/sprites/npc/hoeingmannpc.png
16:42	omero	maybe my file wasn't packed with 'ant dist'
16:43	omero	of course
16:43	kymara	would be unusual.
16:43	omero	my client
16:43	kymara	but you might be runnign some old version
16:43	omero	doesn't have that
16:44	kymara	yes, old client.
16:44	omero	^^
16:44	omero	ok
16:44	omero	I'll fix it on monday
16:44	omero	got to leave now
16:44	kymara	byebye
16:44	omero	later
16:44	omero	thanks for help and troubleshootin :)
16:45	storyteller	bye
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17:02	kiheru	since sound radius was mentioned, I think we could give access to the inner radius of the sound system too. the current default works well for fairly small radii, but results in a large constant volume area if the redius is large (church bells, music in maze, probably others too)
17:03	storyteller	yes
17:06	storyteller	Ah, Kiheru, you asked me for some special music for the maze a quite long time ago...
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17:31	Laguz	hello all
17:32	storyteller	Hi Laguz
17:34	plassy	hi
17:35	Laguz	storyteller, the music at the wizards area with radius 3 was not a bug, it was my intent
17:35	storyteller	ah, but why?
17:35	storyteller	it sounded very strange
17:35	Laguz	because if u enter or leave the are the music stops instantly
17:35	Laguz	why strange?
17:36	storyteller	well, you were at the water source in the upper zone and changed to the other zone, walked three steps and -cut- the music was off
17:37	Laguz	this happens when u leave areas
17:37	storyteller	no then it fades
17:37	storyteller	at least with changing zones
17:37	Laguz	the music was just planed for the little park there
17:37	Laguz	it didnt fade when i testet it
17:38	Laguz	thats why i added it
17:38	Laguz	the music stops instantly when i leave the area
17:38	Laguz	ah
17:38	storyteller	well, but it also fit to the small forest below and why not letting it play just in touch with the other track down at the tower?
17:38	Laguz	i mean the zone
17:38	Laguz	u think?
17:39	Laguz	i wantet it just for teh park, not for the rest of the zone too
17:39	storyteller	there would be an area (I talk about area when I mean a special part of the map) without any music then
17:40	storyteller	strange, at such a great place...
17:41	Laguz	i had the feeling that the music has no good crossing to the next
17:41	storyteller	it was perfect
17:42	Laguz	but i didnt wanted the instant stop by leaving the zone
17:42	storyteller	(in my view at least...)
17:42	Laguz	hm
17:43	Laguz	does it fit again? because i also changed the coordinates of the entity
17:44	storyteller	it should
17:44	Laguz	ok then
17:45	Laguz	it was not a bug, but i dont care if u think its better so
17:45	storyteller	yes, okay :)
17:47	Laguz	kymara, thanks for testing and removing the last bugs. Sorry that i couldnt answering you yesterday.
17:48	Laguz	beside, we should remove rift cloak also from the item list for the same reason
17:49	plassy	storyteller!!
17:49	Laguz	and you said that i should add the scrolls to documents^^
17:50	storyteller	yes, plassy?
17:50	plassy	since i'm programming at a mapeditor right now i remodeled the soundsystem a bit to fit better into the mapeditor
17:50	storyteller	So I can soon add sounds in the map editor?
17:51	plassy	but since you are working with audio right now... could you make a small list what you would like to do with audio and are not able because there is a lack of features right no
17:51	storyteller	ah okay, yes I'll do :)
17:51	plassy	so i can better decide how to build up the whole system
17:52	storyteller	yes
17:52	storyteller	well, but now I'll be away for some time
17:53	storyteller	I make the list later and give it to you or just write the ideas here
17:53	storyteller	See you later
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17:53	plassy	bye
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18:00	nikomicho	hello
18:00	nikomicho	i make a support but no admin is in game.
18:03	Laguz	it can take some time till someone realize that
18:03	Laguz	plz just wait a bit
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19:45	kymara	Laguz: sorry perhaps I did not know you really meant a scroll or that you'd call them scroll
19:45	kymara	when we have a class scroll already
19:45	kymara	really scrolls have a 'Use'
19:45	kymara	but anyway we can discuss that later
19:45	kymara	so do you want me to remove rift cloak too?
19:45	kymara	i assume it's in cloak?
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20:29	Laguz	kymara, yes u can remove it, but i dont care. It would make sense beacuse it would be the same reason why u removed the scrolls
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20:32	kymara	that was partly just because i think we should think more carefully about the scrolls.
20:33	kymara	i dont' want to rush into the magical items.
20:33	kymara	then there's also the question of whether to backport story's sound change.
20:34	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: kymara VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/data/conf/items/cloaks.xml: remove rift cloak from this version as it is not ready
20:34	Laguz	ok np
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23:43	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: nhnb VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/data/conf/zones/semos.xml: backported radius change of music by storyteller
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23:59	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: nhnb VERSION_00_RELEASE_86 * stendhal/release.xml: create diff of stendhal-sound-0.xx.jar, too
23:59	CIA-66	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/release.xml: create diff of stendhal-sound-0.xx.jar, too

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