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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-08-01

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00:12	soniccuz	What exactly are you looking for in monster descriptions? I saw the tracker entrys that were rejected for lich and bone dragon but can't comment without an account.
00:13	hendrik	click on the word "Comments" that looks like a heading.
00:13	hendrik	the tracker is open for annoymous comments.
00:14	soniccuz	is it now <goes to check>
00:14	kymara	It may have been closed and thus also closed for comments
00:16	kymara	okay, no, at least on the bone dragon one i left it open for comments even though it was closed
00:16	kymara	The comment made when it was closed also had suggestions for what we'd be looking for.
00:17	kymara	kiheru and I are using the 0.86.5 client and dont' get xp kill messages in main serve r0.86.1
00:18	kymara	wth release client i get them
00:18	kymara	kiheru: if you killed alone did you get the,?
00:19	soniccuz	I see the wording under it "log in to comment" detoured me from doing so. thanks for clearing that up.
00:20	kymara	you could also use any openid provider
00:20	kymara	e.g if you had a yahoo, google, blogger, livejournal, etc etc account
00:22	kiheru	no xp messages in my log
00:23	kymara	ok and there are none on test server either
00:23	kymara	i.e.matching versions
00:23	kymara	i'll make a bug report
00:24	soniccuz	I realized that when I started to make one but if it's open to annoymous comments that saves me the effort.
00:29	kymara	okay :)
00:36	soniccuz	^^
00:37	kymara	i am not sure if it was relevant for the lich and bone drgaon one, but additionally to the comments provided there about why they were rejected i'd also say they need good spelling and grammar and correct capitalisation
00:38	kymara	grammar may be harder for a non native speaker but anyone can get capitalisation right if they try
00:44	soniccuz	I would think that goes without saying. Anyway, i'll look into it when I get the chance.
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09:09	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: nhnb * marauroa/README: cleaned up
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10:45	storyteller	Kiheru: Well, there was the question yesterday if it is possible to unbind the camera from the player, Hendrik mentioned it yesterday.
10:48	kiheru	storyteller: if I understood the request right, I'd say it's possible without huge changes
10:50	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/achievements/AchievementNotifier.java: don't send summary if no new achievements were reached
10:51	storyteller	Oh, that's cool :)
10:58	kymara	madmetzger: is that as a result of my comment on the developer tracker?
10:59	madmetzger	yes
10:59	madmetzger	i've added a comment there why that check is done on login
11:02	kymara	that's about compatibility with an old system where we didn't use achievements at all, isn't it?
11:03	kymara	Which could be dealt with in other ways too, I think I've seen some suggested here
11:06	madmetzger	it's also about adding new achievements to the game, not only compatibility
11:06	kymara	For a new player who starts after the release of the achievements system, will they ever get a message on login or will they be notified about all theirs naturally?
11:08	madmetzger	a completely new player will get the 'normal' messages whenever they reach an achievement
11:09	kymara	Okay. So, what about the other options for how to make compatible with old? did you decide against them?
11:09	kymara	I'm thinking through what is actually going to happen you see. and this is going to be a message when they login for the first release after the system, really, isn't it?
11:10	madmetzger	yes
11:11	madmetzger	i've decided against the other option as some achievements could be unreachable then for players, like all xp achievements for a level 597 player
14:18	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/StaticGameLayers.java: Thread safety for drawing in EDT
14:19	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ported GameScreen to swing
14:20	kymara	re
14:21	kymara	kiheru, tell me when you're done comitting that :)
14:24	kiheru	it works as such by now, but you can occasionally get NPEs in a couple of places. fixing those now
14:26	kymara	i get theminimap jumping effect but on my whole screen
14:26	kymara	when i change zone
14:26	kymara	i see a completely different part of that zoen first (or black)
14:27	kymara	or black and white
14:30	kymara	i will try downloading a video screen capture tool
14:32	kymara	would that be helpful though?
14:32	kiheru	hmm. must be that the user does not have correct position yet at that stage
14:33	kymara	from the town hall to teh city it was always showing me the temple for example
14:33	kiheru	ie the screen is drawn before the user object is ready
14:34	kiheru	hm. would the old coordinates match?
14:34	kymara	between library and city they just kind of shift up and down very slightly
14:34	kymara	but why dont you get that
14:34	kiheru	slower computer with only one core
14:35	kiheru	I can try to figure out some fix for that
14:35	kymara	i think that's right
14:35	kymara	in the townhall i was at 15, 45
14:35	kymara	then it shows me th ebacksmith (sorry, not temple)
14:35	kymara	and if i stand outside blacksmith that is about 15, 42
14:36	kymara	and i guess when it's all black or white or black and white, there was no matching coordinate
14:36	kymara	the jumping does feel the same as the minimapjumping though
14:37	kymara	this is making me feel dizzy all the flashing so i think i'll stop
14:38	kiheru	sorry :-(
14:38	kymara	it's teh same for leaving the inn, you see the cornder of the town hall
14:38	kymara	and you were at 22,16 in the inn and if i stand in the centre of where i think i saw, by the corner of the town hall, that was 21.26
14:38	kymara	sorry 21,16
14:45	kymara	sometimes the chest slot flickers as i drop stuff in
14:45	kymara	as they shuffle, maybe it's when i take it out
15:05	storyteller	Hi :) May it be better when you are not teleported out of the tower with the teleporter behind Zekiel but back to the basement?
15:05	storyteller	maybe to int_semos_wizards_tower_basement at (15,26)
15:05	storyteller	or (15,21)
15:09	kymara	I'd not make that decision, it's up to laguz, it's his design
15:10	kymara	so you'd need to suggest it to him
15:10	storyteller	okay :) But thanks
15:10	kymara	(i'll comments on 'bad decisions' obviously :) )
15:11	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/gui/j2d/entity/ (11 files): threading fixes
15:19	kymara	will that fix the screen jumpy problem kiheru?
15:19	kiheru	no. that was something I had started working at earlier. trying to look at the jumping now
15:20	kymara	ok
15:32	kiheru	kymara: does this help: http://filebin.ca/godxcu/repaint.patch
15:36	hendrik	there might be something wrong with the way batchUpdate is set.
15:36	hendrik	Sorry, i have not read the logs, so no idea if that comment made sense.
15:36	kymara	the problem is still there
15:36	kymara	except different maybe
15:36	kymara	now it's alsways a white flash
15:37	kymara	well i say flash but it's fairly long
15:38	kiheru	it's grey while the client is switching maps. no idea how to keep the old image :-/
15:40	hendrik	does this change anything (might even made things worse, i don't understand the bigger picture:
15:40	hendrik	public boolean isInBatchUpdate() {
15:40	hendrik	in StendhalClient.
15:40	hendrik	return batchUpdate \|\| contentToLoad > 0;
15:40	hendrik	}
15:41	kymara	the reason is that when i change zones i see the part of the game screen corresponding to my old coordinates.
15:41	kymara	< kiheru> ie the screen is drawn before the user object is ready
15:42	kiheru	I think the batchupdate works correctly; it's just that the drawing is done in different thread than where it's triggered
15:42	kymara	it's still doing a white flash then
15:42	kymara	with the additional 'or' part hendrik wrote
15:44	kiheru	my earlier patch just supresses drawing while it's in batchupdate, so grey bg is expected :-/
15:45	kymara	ok, but it's not grey it's white
15:50	Bluelads4	grey and white sounds a bit like the buddylist/textwindow loading problems I had earlier :D
15:51	kiheru	dunno if there's any way to actually keep the old image short of installing a custom RepaintManager (urgh. swing really likes to make simple things hard)
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15:57	kiheru	hmm, found a possibly working solution
16:00	kymara	yay
16:02	kiheru	for the GameScreen part, instead of the previous path: http://filebin.ca/ydtty/repaint.patch
16:05	kiheru	are the minimap jumps also when switching maps? if so, I'll be able to use a similar hack
16:09	kymara	no they weren't
16:09	kymara	they'd be when walking around a map mostly
16:11	kymara	this is looking better
16:12	kymara	that seems fine now kiheru
16:12	kiheru	ok. keeping the old image was what the awt gamescreen does
16:12	kymara	i still have hendrik's part in
16:12	kymara	do you want me to remove it and test f that was needed
16:13	kymara	because that was in stendhal client
16:13	kiheru	if it's not too much trouble. I think it's not needed, but it's good to check it
16:14	hendrik	it only changes things if the zone was not already cached.
16:14	kymara	ah okay, well it seems okay at the moment
16:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/ (GameScreen.java StendhalClient.java): suppress redraws while switching maps
16:17	kiheru	thanks for testing
16:28	kymara	that's okay
17:11	*	kiheru wonders if blue_painting will now get the whole screen light grey
17:25	blue_painting	sorry I was away... when will it maybe be light grey?
17:27	kymara	when you play with windows 7
17:28	kymara	because you had trouble before with buddy panel and text window - I dont' know if they were always gret for you or what
17:28	kymara	grey
17:28	kymara	but since the gamescreen is now also ported to swing (like those others) it's possible it gets affected too
17:29	blue_painting	ah okay, I'll test that later, I'm currently on under windows vista
17:30	blue_painting	the grey,white thing didn't show up each time, sometimes I had to load the client again for 1 or two times before it worked again
17:31	kymara	okay in which case it may be equally unpredictable with the game screen itself, so i'm not sure when you'd see it
17:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/entity/RPEntity.java: Fix for [3037666] "[Stendhal] No xp messages in 0.86.5"
18:27	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/StendhalClient.java: stay in batch-update-state while waiting for data from the server
18:30	hendrik	Aaaaaa: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Authentication
18:31	hendrik	come August 2010, we'll be turning off Basic Auth from the API.
18:55	hendrik	this oauth stuff is really complicated.
18:56	hendrik	the https basic auth stuff was 11 lines of code.
18:56	hendrik	done in about 30 minutes.
18:56	kymara	for us, or them?
18:57	hendrik	for us.
18:57	hendrik	and now they are going to disabled it.
18:58	hendrik	it's probably only 6 lines for them.
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19:29	storyteller	I just requested a new feature ;) If someone could have a look at it, this would be nice :) Please tell me what you think about it. Thank you :)
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20:10	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (content/account/messages.php scripts/account.php): initial commit of a page where you can view messages sent via postman
20:42	hendrik	storyteller, i am currently busy trying to port the twitter code to the new API.
20:43	hendrik	which is really, really complex.
20:43	kymara	and i'm working on another of your feature requests, storyteller - reading postman messages from the website.
20:46	Bluelads4	and I'm going to take a look at it because I'm curious :D
20:47	kymara	eheh. i just dont' want to break my concentration but i do always see new requests because i check that page very frequently (and it appears in the feeds)
20:49	Bluelads4	:)
21:03	hendrik	this thing is sending the body before the header :-/
21:13	kymara	bla
21:13	kymara	http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Price_list
21:14	kymara	stuff like that is so incredibly timeconsuming to do, becomes ou of date really fast, and should just be done 'better' by linking with code (like for example how mr taxman's books do it)
21:16	hendrik	replace with redirect to Stendhal NPCs
21:16	kymara	And that will confuse the person doing it.
21:17	kymara	I guess he's in the middleof it.
21:17	kymara	i know who that player is, but i lack energy to try to speak to him.
21:18	hendrik	i left him a message on his talk page.
21:19	hendrik	he will get a yellow bar on every page the next time he logs in to the wiki.
21:25	hendrik	i gave up on the twitter stuff: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3383349/simplest-way-to-post-twitter-status-update-to-a-dedicated-account-in-java
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21:26	kymara	okay.
21:27	hendrik	SF.net 2.0 does not support CVS anymore.
21:29	hendrik	but it supports subprojects.
21:42	kiheru	hmm, that would mean we'd need to select what to use
21:47	hendrik	picking between git and svn should be easy.
21:47	hendrik	the admin interface is extremly annoying.
21:48	hendrik	well, <class 'git.errors.NoSuchPathError'>: /git/p/testsf2/git.git
21:49	kiheru	I thought there'd also be hg and bzr
21:49	hendrik	no
21:49	hendrik	well, of course it might still be imcomplete.
21:50	hendrik	Tools: External Link, Git, SVN, Wiki, Tickets, Discussions, Download, Subproject
21:50	kiheru	oh. those were added maybe a year ago to sf at the same time as git
21:50	kymara	and mercurial.
21:50	kymara	no wait i'm too annoyed to comment, hush now.
21:50	kiheru	hg=mercurial
21:50	kymara	okay.
21:50	hendrik	kiheru, https://sourceforge.net/p/testsf2/
21:50	kymara	is 'from' and 'to' better than 'source' and 'target' for purposes of dsplay to players?
21:51	hendrik	yes
21:51	hendrik	people know that from email.
21:51	kymara	they're like obsessed with changing stuff
21:51	kymara	have you noticed the finding software thing has canged totally
21:51	kymara	changed
21:51	kiheru	yep. source and target are quite techy
21:51	kymara	okay.
21:52	kiheru	oh, it has changed again
21:53	kiheru	starting to get used to sf changing completely every a few months
21:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (content/account/messages.php scripts/account.php):
21:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: Show messages for all the player's characters and add a 'to' column. Make unseen
21:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: ones bold and remove that column. Make player messages get a URL to the
21:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: character page, and support messages orange and with a URL, and remove
21:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: messageType column
21:53	kymara	yeah it's just the old one had the top 10 most active this week on that page and so arianne rpg did well on that often.
21:54	kymara	that's why i'm put out :P
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22:00	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/61FmLSW.html <- for the messages
22:00	kiheru	activity gets buried deeper and deeper. it used to be on the front page
22:00	kymara	thats weird for me as soon as i load it gets hidden (that image)
22:01	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/PhLLFpxe.html if it doesn't work for you
22:01	kiheru	the same
22:01	kymara	and sorry, the test message which was meant to be an undelivered one did get delivered the next time i logged in :P so don't be confused by that
22:03	kiheru	looks nice. an undelivered one would have some sort of marker?
22:03	kymara	they are the bold ones
22:03	kiheru	ok
22:04	kymara	I could make the text say:
22:04	kymara	This is a list of the recent delivered and <b>undelivered</b> messages sent to your characters.
22:04	kymara	if that would help?
22:07	kymara	if the page had a 'next 100' type thingy which could be used as input then i could pass that as a parameter to the query and get the next 100 messages, etc. or just a 'show all' option. but does it then not become able to have a pretty url?
22:08	hendrik	i think we should limit that to 100 or 7 days anyway.
22:08	hendrik	nice urls are not really important because it is page google will never see.
22:09	kymara	okay, atm it's just 100 i think and not time limit
22:09	kymara	because i was trying to debug and stripped everything out
22:11	kymara	can we go a bit longer than 7 days though
22:11	hendrik	okay
22:12	kymara	i was going to do 3 months but that is pretty differen t to 7 days :P
22:12	hendrik	that's okay.
22:12	kymara	okay so 3 months or 100
22:13	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/scripts/account.php: limit number of messages to display to 3 months ot 100, whichever is less.
22:15	kymara	shall i add it to the my account navigation box already? maybe with the postman button image?
22:18	storyteller	Kymara, Hendrik: Don't worry, this request was just an idea. I don't want to disturb you while you do other things, sorry...
22:19	storyteller	It was just an idea, maybe for the future. It hasn't to be done for the next release or some next releases, I know that and also don't want that. I know how complex this is and therefore other things have higher priority of course
22:25	hendrik	kymara, it looks fine.
22:25	hendrik	yes, please add it.
22:37	kymara	oes it need a new css?
22:37	kymara	does
22:37	hendrik	for the button?
22:37	kymara	yes it's an existing image
22:37	kymara	hm maybe i can just use exactly the same tag thingy too
22:38	kymara	okay, i do that
22:38	hendrik	what are you doing?
22:39	kymara	<li><a id="menuPlayerOnline" href="<?php echo(rewriteURL('/account/messages.html')); ?>">Messages</a></li>
22:39	kymara	menuPlayerOnline is the postman picture
22:39	hendrik	please don't use an id twice.
22:39	kymara	okay.
22:39	kymara	so then i have to tell css what menuAccountMessages is
22:39	kymara	so do i need a new css number?
22:40	hendrik	yes.
22:42	hendrik	while you are at it, could you add this, please:
22:42	hendrik	.prettytable th { background: #DDD;
22:42	hendrik	}
22:42	kymara	and remove the backgruonds on my ths ?
22:42	hendrik	yes.
22:43	kymara	at least you left plenty of room for expansion with the css files.
22:43	*	hendrik giggles.
22:43	kymara	we can do up to 99999999 revisions
22:43	hendrik	even zzzzzzzz
22:43	kymara	then maybe move onto hexadecimal naming or something
22:43	kymara	yeah, that
23:03	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/scripts/urlrewrite.php: Add rewrite rule for messages page
23:14	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (css/00000010.css css/ie000007.css index.php): Add messages page to 'my account' navigation box. make pretty table always have a grey background for the header parts
23:14	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/account/messages.php: don't add background to <th> manually as it's now in css
23:15	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/account/myaccount.php: add 'messages' page and unify all content with the 'My Account' box
23:22	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/stendhal_website.sql: Use a insert into news statement which works with the current news table which is created
23:25	kymara	in cvs the stendhal.jnlp is still 0.79
23:25	kymara	but on the server it is 0.86.1
23:25	kymara	to avoid issues when we next update shall i change cvs?
23:25	hendrik	yes, please.
23:27	kymara	and shall i update to use the new messages page or is this a bit scary? we'll need to add a new rewrite rule also i guess, i put it on teh script
23:28	kymara	RewriteRule ^/account/messages.html$ /index.php?id=content/account/messages [L]
23:36	hendrik	okay, the apache config is updated.
23:39	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/account/login.php: fix typo (matchs -> matches)
23:40	kymara	yay
23:40	kymara	ooh, you know what, should i do sth special for the 2010-07-20 00:00:00 dates?
23:40	kymara	i did think of that and then forgot again
23:40	kymara	i guess it would be easy
23:40	hendrik	may be a good idea.
23:40	hendrik	yes
23:41	kymara	say 'Unknown' or leave black?
23:41	kymara	blank
23:41	hendrik	both is fine.
23:44	kiheru	I think unknown would be clearer
23:45	kymara	okay
23:48	kymara	okay, well that's on the website now :)
23:48	kiheru	:-)
23:53	kymara	hm, i guess i could have linked to the page per npc too.
23:53	kymara	i mean e.g. http://stendhalgame.org/npc/Dagobert.html

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