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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-08-02

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00:25	Bluelads4	hoi :) I'm infront of windows 7 now... what should I test in relation to the grey-white problem better saying, with which client?
00:27	kiheru	Bluelads4: I think the changes are not yet in the test client
00:28	kiheru	the changes would be in the test client, obviously. otoh, if you get some sort of error message in any client when that happens, it would be useful to know
00:28	Bluelads4	ok
00:32	kiheru	I suspect everything could be occasionally light grey now that everything is drawn in the same way (in all previous versions the game screen has been a bit of an exception. it has used different system from everything else)
00:33	kiheru	I have no idea what causes it, so an error msg would really help
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00:39	Bluelads4	I just get a sound warning with the xplanner client on xplanner at the moment
00:39	Bluelads4	2010-08-02 00:37:34 WARN [Thread-6] SoundSystemNG.java ( 440) - no output line was opened. sound system will be suspended
00:40	*	Bluelads4 doesn't know what that is :D
00:40	kiheru	ok, I think the graphics changes will be in the xplanner client tomorrow
00:40	Bluelads4	ok :) I'll test there again then :)
00:41	kiheru	uh, I don't know really either. plassy's the sound expert
00:42	Bluelads4	hehe
00:43	kiheru	he's fighting with a lot of similar platform dependencies that are not supposed to exist :-P (but really plague the client side)
00:43	Bluelads4	:D
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11:35	yoriy	hello all
11:36	kiheru	hi yoriy
11:36	yoriy	what was decided about meeting, kih?
11:40	kiheru	https://sourceforge.net/projects/arianne/forums/forum/3192/topic/3785798/index/page/1
11:41	hendrik	yoriy, how are the fires? Is there progress in putting them off?
11:41	yoriy	there is a much of smoke around, i think most of fires are off now
11:41	kymara	I'm sorry to hear about the fires, yoriy.
11:42	yoriy	i just got electric power stable, i hope it will long time enough to end of our meeting :-)
11:42	hendrik	good, so with the fire off the smoke will hopefully vanish in the next days.
11:43	kymara	yoriy: Just in case, if you had things you wanted to say at the meeting (I mean, what you planned to work on for 0.87 and what you had dropped workign on because of difficulties or other priorities, you could also send me that text and I'll say it on your behalf.
11:43	kymara	)
11:43	yoriy	ah, a kind of summary
11:44	yoriy	i need to prepare it
11:45	kymara	yes, everyone needs to prepare something ideally. but if you might not be there you can send it to me in advance.
11:50	yoriy	ok kym, i will write it now
11:52	kymara	If you dont' have much to say because you have no specific plans and dropped no projects that is of course fine too.
11:53	yoriy	i dropped no projects :-)
13:24	postman-bot	nikomicho rented a sign saying "sell mithril boots :) msg me!"
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14:13	Javy_Dreamer	Hi, I'll like team's feedback on: https://sourceforge.net/projects/arianne/forums/forum/3192/topic/3792863
14:13	Javy_Dreamer	thanks, have a nice day!
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14:54	omero	how difficult would be to have server time indication shown in the client GUI?
14:56	kymara	not too hard but i don't know if it's important enough to take up valuable 'real estate'
14:56	kymara	you know about /info i assume?
14:57	omero	yes, kymara .. I was just thinkig to overimpose it on minimap or something
14:58	kymara	I dont' think it's important enough that people would want to see it all the time but I may be wrong. would you like to gather opinions on it?
14:59	omero	I'll rent a sign next time I'm in semos
14:59	omero	I know why would I want one...
15:01	omero	whe have average respawn/growth times and It's nice to know at a glance how long untill something appears again...
15:04	kymara	isn't your normal clock onyour pc good enough for that?
15:11	omero	I thought of a better solution: I'll have a normal clock set on server time to put on my desk
15:12	kymara	server time doesn't run slower or faster. it's just utc + 2 i think
17:08	kymara	i'm still confused. you know the time relative to your timestamp on the chat log, i'd think?
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17:09	kymara	which is in your own local time.
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20:08	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/events/achievements/QuestAchievementFactory.java: fix typo in identifier and description
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20:57	madmetzger	is there a way to change the varchar length of a column within the current db stuff?
20:57	madmetzger	i accidentally made one column too short in the achievements table and want to have it longer
20:58	kymara	you can alter table modify column.
20:58	kymara	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/alter-table.html
20:59	madmetzger	yes, i can use an alter table statement, but what about the table already being present?
20:59	kymara	don't be lazy with what you tell it though
21:00	kymara	i dont' think alter table woudl work if the table was not already present.
21:00	kymara	you already had to use alter table for existing tables, you added a column in stendhal player database
21:00	kymara	so you would do the same thing with alter table blah modify column col1 ......
21:00	kymara	where i said 'dont' be lazy' what i mean is: When you use CHANGE or MODIFY, column_definition must include the data type and all attributes that should apply to the new column
21:01	madmetzger	yes, i was thinking the wrong way... i can do it similar
21:01	madmetzger	okay, thank you for your advice :)
21:01	storyteller	Kymara: Hmm, I thought about this new icon for "My characters" but the only fitting one seems to be one kind like it is used for "Merge Accounts" now...
21:01	kymara	so if you had a column that was unsigned integer with a comment 'blah blah' and you just did ALTER TABLE t1 MODIFY col1 BIGINT; then you drop the commen,t the unsogned, etc
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21:01	nissaru	hi at all
21:01	storyteller	Hi Nissaru :)
21:02	nissaru	i have a problem
21:02	nissaru	any where want crack my profil
21:02	nissaru	now i have a login massage
21:02	kymara	madmetzger: i guess it does no harm to also fix the original create table statement
21:03	kymara	bbl, i'm awaiting a call.
21:03	madmetzger	yes, i'll fix the original as well
21:04	kymara	nissaru, does the error message say to wait and try later?
21:04	nissaru	"login failed: there have been to many failed login attempts for your account or network.please wait a couple of minutes or contakt support"
21:04	nissaru	yes
21:04	hendrik	nissaru, i will have a look.
21:04	nissaru	=)
21:07	storyteller	Kymara: I thought of a small icon of Xoderos or Joshua who are "forging the characters together" maybe...
21:09	hendrik	nissaru, the block will expire soon.
21:10	hendrik	if that other chars you enter too many wrong passwords for belongs to you and you forgot the real password, i can sent you an email to get it reset.
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21:15	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/ (core/engine/StendhalPlayerDatabase.java stendhal_init.sql): fix length of description column
21:48	kymara	storyteller: I don't think that will work on that size
21:49	kymara	i did have the thought that the 'my characters' page can be the one you see when you click on the 'logged in as name' thing
21:49	kymara	then it would just use the little face
21:55	storyteller	yes, that was also in my mind somewhere... "You are logged in as ..." and then comes the menu as it is now and below that your characters maybe
21:55	kymara	uh
21:56	kymara	the 'logged in as name' thing is at the top
21:56	kymara	so the characters link woudl therefore be at the top
21:56	kymara	if i am suggesting that it's the one you get to when you click the 'logged in as ..'
21:56	kymara	(and also what you are redirected to, when you login)
21:57	kymara	so it wouldn't be below, no?
21:58	storyteller	ah, uh
21:59	storyteller	well, I just thought about showing the characters also below the menu which is on the "myaccout" page
21:59	storyteller	but this doesnt make sense then...
21:59	kymara	but then we need a button
21:59	kymara	you mean the list of them?
21:59	storyteller	because there is a special page for the characters...
21:59	kymara	as in, shwo all characters?
22:00	kymara	i think that would be too long and push down the other useful menu
22:00	storyteller	yes, thats true
22:00	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/kWnTlo10.html
22:00	kymara	this was one i made ages ago when we wanted one for online players.
22:00	kymara	very tiny
22:01	kymara	that is why i did not think we can get xoderos and joshua on it ;)
22:01	storyteller	Ah, well, yes it'S tiny... but something like that would be nice I think...
22:01	kymara	the one with heads was another suggestion but in the end we had gone for postman there
22:01	storyteller	ah, or just one of them, with a hammer in his hand and forging ;)
22:01	kymara	well, something 'like that' or that?
22:01	kymara	if that is good enough we can just use it - so if not, what would you change?
22:02	storyteller	well, there is this similar one for merging now...
22:02	kymara	but they are trying to show a similar thing so they can be similar
22:03	storyteller	hmm, good argument ;) Yes, you are right :)
22:03	storyteller	Okay, why not take it then? :)
22:06	kymara	i can try something like use the samebase for both but draw something on the merge one to show linking.
22:07	storyteller	yes
22:07	storyteller	a chain maybe :)
22:07	kymara	lol
22:07	storyteller	Oo
22:07	storyteller	why lol?
22:07	kymara	in 25x26 pixels with already 4 huge faces crammed in i cannot draw a chain
22:07	storyteller	just two elements
22:07	kymara	you'll be lucky if i can even draw a circle that looks clear
22:08	storyteller	ah... yes thats the problem, its so small...
22:09	storyteller	Hmm, what symbol could be used for putting some characters into one account...? *thinking
22:09	kymara	well 4 arrows pointing into teh centre or a chain but that is all impossible on such a small button with already a busy background
22:10	kymara	i'm trying a cross
22:10	kymara	as in 4 lines into teh centre
22:10	storyteller	yes, thats a good idea
22:11	storyteller	well, what about one small face in the middle then and four arrows pointing at it?
22:11	kymara	because i thoguht we were going to use the same base for both to show it merged the characters
22:12	storyteller	Hmm...
22:12	storyteller	yes, I am just thinking...
22:13	storyteller	just some ideas, sometimes some stupid ones but, well... ;)
22:14	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/7HU0CKgr.html is trying to do arrows
22:15	kymara	and i did another one with the arrows furtehr out
22:15	kymara	green is for 'good' and because it stood out
22:15	storyteller	thats true
22:15	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/SHF0H_B6.html
22:16	storyteller	the problem is, that its all a bit overload... :/ I know it is very hard to create such...
22:21	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/0T0wvK.htmln tries to put a ring round them
22:21	kymara	or on them
22:22	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/0T0wvK.html sory it got an extra n
22:22	kymara	i shoudl probably give up
22:22	storyteller	the ring is also nice :)
22:23	storyteller	well, but its not so good to recognize on that tiny button...
22:26	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/GnnFoWk.html
22:26	kymara	moved the 4 heads 'out' and trimmed them down a bit, added smaller baby face in the middle which is also the login/account pic
22:26	storyteller	yes :)
22:27	storyteller	that one is nice
22:27	kymara	ok, so that can be merge and the other characters?
22:27	kymara	because that one shows the 4 characters and the account in the middle
22:27	kymara	maybe i could even make them less bright, the characters, like they fade away
22:28	storyteller	yes! :)
22:28	storyteller	Thats a great idea :)
22:28	storyteller	so there only stays that one account :)
22:29	kymara	good thing i did save all these xcfs
22:29	storyteller	:)
22:29	kiheru	wooo, you have learned something :-P
22:30	kymara	eheh
22:30	storyteller	;)
22:30	kymara	if they are being faded out the baby one could in fact be the same size as the baby for the login one
22:30	storyteller	ah, cool
22:31	kymara	is thats better
22:32	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/TW4dA8Q.html
22:32	storyteller	Yes, this one with the fading characters is good :)
22:35	kymara	good.
22:35	storyteller	:)
22:36	kymara	i should have done this yesterday with the other css change.
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23:03	kymara	i'll increment the css but we can still add to it before next website update, i guess
23:08	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/images/buttons/ (merge_button.png merge_button.xcf): Add 'merge' button and xcf so we can use player heads for characters
23:14	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add link to 'my characters' page - fixes Website - Character bar ID: 3035352
23:33	hendrik	of each turn:
23:33	hendrik	64% in endTurn()
23:33	hendrik	14% in buildPerception()
23:34	hendrik	10% in beginTurn()
23:34	hendrik	10% in nextTurn();
23:34	hendrik	1% in logger.warn();
23:35	hendrik	(the last one is caused by all turns overflowing and the result being displayed in the extremly slow console)
23:36	hendrik	nextTurn() is spent in MarauroaRPZone.reset();
23:37	hendrik	beginTurn() is spent in SpeakerNPC.preLogic(), which spends most of its time in GuidedEntity.applyMovement()
23:40	hendrik	buildPerception() is mostly spent in NIONetworkServerManager.sendMessage() which spent most of it time in Encoder.encode and the serialziation.
23:40	hendrik	the rest of buildPerception is spent in getPlayerPerception();
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23:53	hendrik	62% from endTurn() are spent StendhalRPZone.logic(), 2% in TurnNotifier.logic();
23:53	hendrik	so the TurnNotifier concept seems to be good.

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