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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-08-05

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00:06	kiheru	I don't know if that's a bug or a feature
00:13	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/scripts/ (character.php character.css): Little experiment to make the character layout look the same as it does in the game (which also takes less space)
00:13	kymara	those are in an 'old' css at the mom,ent
00:14	kymara	so they need putting into a new css so that you don't have to shift and refresh
00:14	kymara	but it's experiemental just for now, you can see it at http://xplanner.homelinux.net/stendhal_website/?id=content/scripts/character&name=kymara&exact but force a refresh
00:14	kymara	then i thought i might put the attributes next to the equipment or something, line those up a bit
00:15	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/scripts/character.css: left hand, right hand and cloak positions adjusted
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00:19	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/content/scripts/character.php: remove an extra height definition which i did not mean to have
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02:45	omero	nite all
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09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: moved some common css definitions from item, monster, character and npcs to main
09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: css file, currently 00000011.css, and cleaned the existing css files . renamed
09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: character.css' row to equiprow (else will be conflicts, though maybe they can be
09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: merged a bit) and moved this and the slot definitions into main css file, so
09:16	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: people will see it without a refresh
09:22	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/index.php: allow player search to work on websites with non standard folder
09:23	kymara	argh no that's hard
09:30	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/index.php: actually allow player search to work on websites with non standard folder
09:30	kymara	--
09:31	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/index.php: actually allow player search to work on websites with non standard folder - last try
09:31	kymara	yay! :D
09:33	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/css/00000011.css: switch left and right hand
09:51	kiheru	:-D
09:51	kymara	i couldn't test it :)
09:52	kymara	moving css around is a bit scary
09:53	kymara	for example 4 files each had a .table
09:53	kymara	which i think was the same in each
09:53	kymara	so i put it in the main global one
09:53	kymara	so long as no other files had a different .table, we are all ok :)
09:53	kymara	i don't think they did
09:53	kymara	haven't moved .row yet that is in quite a few files and different subtly in some of them.
09:56	kymara	this is the next thing i am trying to do:
09:56	kymara	http://imagebin.ca/view/LWsATD.html
09:56	kiheru	if something else needs a different .table, I think that page can override the normal one anyway
09:56	kymara	but obviously not very good looking yet
09:56	kymara	okay, kiheru
09:56	kymara	hey if you know css you can help me :D
09:57	kiheru	I did maybe one or two css files roughly 10 years ago :-D just something that iirc is possible
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10:00	kymara	excuses excuses
10:00	kymara	and then once the character page looks nice enough and isn't wasting space i can add a little form to leave a message or a link to a form to leave a message
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15:48	storyteller	Kymara: Concerning the NPCs talking ideas: Are there NPCs who talk their sentences also when you are in conversation with them? I think with the leader of the three soldiers it is like he attends you, says that you can listen to him as he speaks and then he goes idle again, am I right?
15:51	kymara	I don't know offhand. but you specified it and i think it's a good point. Herald should be the same.
15:51	kymara	I don't know if they still say their normal repeated sentences when attending you.
15:51	storyteller	ah okay
15:53	storyteller	So I'll write a bug report then, that NPCs shouldn't talk their sentences while being in a conversation
15:53	kymara	If they do, currently.
15:53	kymara	You said the new ones shouldn't, and it's a good point, I don't know if the old ones do.
15:54	kymara	you could test it?
15:54	storyteller	yes, I could do :) With Rose Leigh it may be the same, isn't it?
15:55	kymara	i don't know if she is the same code, but yes, she shoudl have teh same behaviour.
15:55	storyteller	Okay, I'll test it :)
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16:05	storyteller	Ah... Rose Leigh just turns idle again after directly giving you the flower after saying "Hi"...
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16:28	omero	hello
16:41	omero	I had to bring ados mayor something but after several days have elapsed I went there and asked 'task' ... he just assigned me a new item to find, no questions asked. is that normal?
16:47	kymara	I think it's likely you did take him yuor task
16:47	kymara	But forgot
16:47	omero	quite unlikely kymara
16:47	kymara	if you had not taken the old one he'd ask for it
16:47	omero	it was a golden twosided axe
16:47	kymara	do you have the chat log?
16:48	kymara	that is not a daily task item
16:48	omero	and I'm pretty sure I couldn't find any... black dwergar, high fallen priests... brrr
16:48	kymara	that's a weekly task item.
16:48	omero	oh
16:48	kymara	could you maybe check what hazel asked you for?
16:48	omero	ok
16:48	omero	then I got confused
16:49	omero	yes now that you make me think, then I mixed the tasks...
16:49	omero	sorry for messing up
16:49	kymara	Okay, no problem.
16:49	omero	is the weekly item quest also changable?
16:49	kymara	Yes, you can ask for a new one after enough time has elapsed.
16:50	kymara	The wait time to get a new quest after completing one is 7 days as opposed to 1 day, so equally the wait time to get a new one after realising you can't find the item is longer.
16:50	omero	and (sorry, 1 last) would that have negative impact on karma
16:50	kymara	I don't believe so but you can maybe check the code to be sure
16:50	kymara	the code was recently all refactored for those to be clear to read
16:51	omero	ok, will do that ... thanks :)
16:55	omero	I was thinking about a DND status last night... I was in the middle of a frantic battle with several dwarves and kept receiving messages from friends (and couldn't afford typing back telling to stop)
16:59	kymara	liek /grumpy ?
16:59	kymara	which stops you receiving messages from non buddies, i think
16:59	omero	yes but global affecting buddies too
16:59	kymara	okay, you could make a feature request.
17:00	omero	ok
17:00	kymara	with an /away message you could ask them not to keep messaging you.
17:00	omero	hehe
17:01	kymara	./away dying!! come help me and pls stop messaging
17:01	omero	that would be a work-around, yes
17:02	omero	the dnd mode would have no 'status icon' so you're not bothered by the piggy
17:02	kymara	it's a cow, i think.
17:02	kymara	i think it's a good idea to knwo when you have it set or not.
17:03	kymara	or we could just alter the away behaviour
17:03	omero	uhm
17:03	kymara	that mesages cannot get through
17:03	kymara	there are so many requests about storing up the messages sent to you when you were away
17:03	kymara	missed message indicators etc etc
17:03	kymara	what about not letting them through, storing them as a postman message instead?
17:03	omero	yes, maybe it's better to have some kind of flag reminding that you're not in the default state
17:04	kymara	then you can get them when you next relog, or remove the dnd state
17:04	omero	yep
17:04	kymara	the user sendign the message could be prompted to re-send it via postman, instead of just automatically doing it
17:04	omero	storing them on postman would be great
17:05	kymara	so maybe we don't need a new status, we can use (and alias) away
17:05	kymara	and add those enhancements
17:05	omero	yes, away is already affecting all messages
17:07	kymara	the cow can be redrawn if it isn't liked?
17:07	omero	nono, I like it
17:08	kymara	ah okay. is it also suited to a do not disturb stats?
17:08	kymara	status
17:09	omero	gh
17:09	omero	for that I'd choose a cat with arched back and electric tail
17:10	kymara	so they cannot use the same logic
17:10	kymara	if it should have a different image
17:11	kymara	i was hoping to use exactly the same thing, just change the 'awa' behaviour
17:11	kymara	'away'
17:11	kymara	not add another command which doe s avery very similar thing.
17:11	omero	just kidding, kymara ... the real important thing is functionality
17:11	kymara	okay, but if the icon doesn't work for both, we can change it, is all.
17:11	omero	I agree with the 'keep it simple' philosopy
17:12	kymara	ok. and we can also alias commands.
17:12	omero	philosophy
17:12	kymara	/names and /who are aliased
17:12	kymara	so are /tell and /msg, etc
17:12	omero	oh btw.. while we're talking functionalities...
17:12	omero	tab completion for commands has already been requested?
17:14	kymara	yes, i have seen a request there i think.
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19:15	Ogeretal	hi
19:15	Ogeretal	if i want to suggest a riddle for hell, where should i post it?
19:19	yoriy	feature request tracker?
19:20	Ogeretal	ok ;)
19:21	yoriy	please mark your post private :-)
20:37	hendrik	netbeans keep crashing on me when i try to do profiling.
20:37	hendrik	with an segmentation fault.
20:39	madmetzger	hendrik, can you help me a bit with sql rewriting in the database adapter?
20:40	hendrik	what's the problem?
20:40	madmetzger	there's already one piece of code to rewrite sth, do you know offhand what situation it shall handle?
20:41	hendrik	something about COLUMN (...);
20:41	hendrik	behind alter table x add
20:41	madmetzger	it deals with "column" in code, but java doc says "columns"
20:41	hendrik	the keyword is column
20:42	madmetzger	would it make sense to change the matching part there as i need to check for sth with column, too?
20:42	hendrik	what are the two statements?
20:42	madmetzger	mine?
20:43	hendrik	yes, the mysql and the h2 one and if you know the standard one.
20:43	madmetzger	mysql: ALTER TABLE MODIFY achievement description VARCHAR(254);
20:43	madmetzger	h2: ALTER TABLE achievement ALTER COLUMN description VARCHAR(254);
20:44	hendrik	are you sure about MODIFY before tablename?
20:45	hendrik	what does the postgres documentation say?
20:45	madmetzger	sorry, mistyped: ALTER TABLE achievement MODIFY COLUMN description VARCHAR(254)
20:45	hendrik	it often has a section comparing postgres to standard.
20:45	hendrik	i cannot open a browser right now.
20:45	hendrik	profiling in progress and computer slow.
20:46	madmetzger	okay, i can have a look at postgres documentation
20:47	madmetzger	neither MODIFY COLUMN nor ALTER COLUMN are part of the standard
20:48	hendrik	lol
20:48	hendrik	is there a standard conform way?
20:48	madmetzger	postgres uses ALTER TABLE achievement ALTER COLUMN description TYPE varchar(254);
20:49	*	hendrik grumbles.
20:49	madmetzger	no, only ADD, DROP and SET DEFAUL are conform to the standard
20:49	madmetzger	says postgres documentation
20:49	kymara	why don't you drop the old column and add a new one
20:49	kymara	that is standard, so long as you dont' mind losing data in it.
20:50	madmetzger	i don't want to lose the data there :/
20:50	hendrik	we need away to prevent that on every server start.
20:50	kymara	or rename it, add a new one, rename nback, drop the temporary
20:50	kymara	hm, true
20:50	hendrik	is there a standard way to get the length of the column?
20:51	kymara	well you shoudl always be able to look it up in the information_schema (in mysql)
20:52	kymara	standard way: insert an entry of a length you think is bigger, check max size of entries :P
20:52	hendrik	sorry, i mean jdbc in this case.
20:52	madmetzger	i am looking up jdbc api atm
20:58	madmetzger	the interface DatabaseMetadata provides a method to get column data including the data type
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21:29	storyteller	Kymara: I split up the NPC conversation feature request
21:40	hendrik	after cleaning up the RPObject.getID() thingy, the new hotspot is the pathfinder.
21:41	hendrik	65% endTurn()
21:41	hendrik	63% creature.logic();
21:41	hendrik	27% HandToHand.findNewTarget();
21:42	hendrik	18% Creature.setIdle();
21:42	hendrik	8% Entity.notifyWorldAboutChanges();
21:43	hendrik	HandToHand.findNewTarget() -> Creature.getNearestEnemy() -> Path.searchPath -> Path.getPath 26%
21:44	storyteller	Kymara: And I posted the bug report considering NPCs breaking the conversation with their sentences, shouting and mumbling
21:44	kymara	storyteller: thank you.
21:44	storyteller	You're welcome :)
21:44	kymara	hendrik: good to know what the new target is.
21:45	kymara	hendrik: did you already gather any stats on how much improved it is?
21:45	hendrik	under profiling it is noticeable.
21:45	hendrik	i was not able to do anything with the computer with just 10 clients.
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21:46	hendrik	now i have 40 clients and i can stell use ssh irc on the server.
21:46	kymara	but this is not just to help people who want to run lots of clients, is it
21:46	hendrik	still
21:46	nobun	there are probably problems in server
21:46	hendrik	i am only profiling the server.
21:46	kymara	i mean, the server was the thing working hard
21:46	kymara	yes
21:47	hendrik	nobun --verbose
21:47	kymara	nobun: what kind of a comment is that :D
21:47	kymara	hendrik, it's very good. makes me want to release 0.87 soon :)
21:47	nobun	characters don't responding or responding very late... asked to a player to confirmation to verify if could be only my problem, but seems general problem
21:48	nobun	(using adsl now so shouldn't be connection)
21:49	nobun	however asked a player for confirmation to be sure... 10 minutes ago was worst than now
21:50	kymara	ah right nobun I thought you were commenting on the profiling conversation
21:51	hendrik	seems fine to me at the moment.
21:51	nobun	I am entered now so I don't know anything about a profiling conversation, sorry xD
21:51	nobun	try to use different movements
21:51	nobun	first ones works well, but after a bit there are gaps
21:52	kymara	i can check the the server has any lags
21:52	nobun	major problems when fighting against creatures
21:53	kymara	Hm, I can see some timeouts where people have got disconnected but they'd be likely networking issues
21:53	kymara	Just because you have adsl doesn't guarantee there is not a bottle neck somewhere between your computer and the server, I guess
21:53	kymara	There are no server lags
21:54	hendrik	my ssh session was a bit slow but i thought that was because of profiling.
21:54	postman-bot	finix rented a sign saying "i buy chaos sword"
21:55	hendrik	oh, that was because of a download.
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22:00	nobun	the fact is I asked confirmation to another player (from another country - not italian like me) that confirmed problem
22:00	nobun	however now seems work well
22:01	nobun	testing
22:02	nobun	now no problems
22:02	nobun	you were speaking about profiling... you where profiling at 21:36 (GMT +1) ?
22:03	nobun	was the hour with major problems
22:03	kymara	Not on the main server, locally.
22:03	hendrik	nobun, the profiling is locally.
22:03	nobun	hmm
22:03	hendrik	on the two computers below my desk.
22:03	nobun	ok
22:04	nobun	very strange... it seems hard to see a reason ot that problem for those 10-15minutes
22:05	nobun	however thank for answering
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22:13	nobun	hi omero :)
22:14	omero	hello
22:14	nobun	I am doing the "rescue mice" mission in rat city (alone becouse I am fool xD)
22:19	Bluelads4	:D
22:19	kymara	i thought you meant the rats invasion in ados for a moment
22:20	kiheru	I had some performance issues then too, but since it was not jumps back in time I decided it must be somewhere in the network
22:20	kymara	I don't see why being in different countries stops is being a network issue.
22:20	kymara	I mean, you're all connecting to the same country
22:21	kymara	So it's surely possible you share some route...
22:21	kymara	But nobun's reply was already pretty defensive so I didn't say that :)
22:38	omero	what rat invasion?
22:41	kymara	well, i guess there is no rat problem now :)
22:41	kymara	http://arianne.sourceforge.net/?arianne_url=content/news&all=100 the 0.82 and 0.83 releases mention it
22:50	omero	interesting :)
22:51	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/tests/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/ElfPrincessTest.java: updated to check the time limit
23:11	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal_website/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixing #3039947, wbesite creature layout broken
23:53	CIA-68	arianne_rpg: kiheru * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/client/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Removed unused GameScreen parameter from WtPanel drawing code
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