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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-08-21

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07:21	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: added caption
08:24	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/scripts/ (inspect.php website.php): started to work on parser for /script DeepInspect.class output
08:24	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: added todos
08:37	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (scripts/inspect.php content/admin/inspect.php): parsing of top level attributes
08:43	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: render top level attributes
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10:22	kymara	huh, i see you asked for help about cvs on sf and bluelads4 said very nicely that she was using eclipse. and support answered did she readthe instructions for tortoise cvs -.-
10:25	hendrik	Perhaps i confused chris by saying she is using windows.
10:26	kymara	that might confuse him if he thought there was only one way to use cvs with windows, yes
10:27	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/scripts/inspect.php: implemented parseSlots
10:27	kymara	i remember having to whisper to daniel that netbeans was an IDE (and what an IDE was) when someone was asking for help before with another connection
10:28	kymara	i really don't like how you get a new project on your profile just from visiting a sf 2.0 project
10:29	hendrik	hm.
10:29	hendrik	testsf2 is not showing up at all on my projects.
10:30	kymara	https://sourceforge.net/users/nhnb doesn't have 'My Projects'
10:31	kymara	cf https://sourceforge.net/users/kymara
10:31	kymara	i have enabled that widget
10:31	hendrik	I added you as admin to testsf2.
10:31	hendrik	but the u/username seems to be implied.
10:34	kymara	that is just when you visit a sf 2.0 project
10:34	kymara	you don't even have to be admin
10:35	hendrik	It seems like those projects are to be our new profile pages.
10:36	hendrik	but there is a lot of work needed till that is useable.
10:39	kymara	can i start trying the inspect page
10:40	hendrik	you can have a look, but there is still work needed.
10:41	hendrik	You may want to uncomment the dummy data in content/admin/inspect.php
10:41	hendrik	i am currently working on parsing RPObject entries.
10:41	hendrik	and after that i want quantity + item icons instead of the tables.
10:41	hendrik	and 3rd i want the table in an java script mouse over.
10:42	kymara	but why woudl deep inspect output be rpobject
10:42	kymara	it sends everything to a string
10:43	hendrik	sorry, i mean those lines starting with RPObject... (or Item, RPObject...)
10:43	hendrik	private function parseRPObject($line) {
10:43	hendrik	in scripts/inspect.php
10:49	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (scripts/inspect.php content/admin/inspect.php): parse RPObject lines
10:49	kymara	okay
10:49	hendrik	oh and i forgot: 4th a pastable input field.
10:49	hendrik	1st is done.
10:51	kymara	cvs is really being slow
10:51	kymara	i had to update that 5 times afterr your commit to get the update
10:51	hendrik	oh
10:52	kymara	oh that's interesting we actually store when zones were visited?
10:53	hendrik	yes
10:53	kymara	is that last visited or first visited do you knwo off hand?
10:53	hendrik	last visited.
10:53	hendrik	i did that when marked scrolls were added.
10:54	hendrik	and since i had en empty value field to be filled, i added the timestamp.
10:54	hendrik	but i am not sure if it is int or long.
10:54	kymara	it's displaying okay on the website
11:13	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/css/overlib.js: added overlib
11:14	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: use overlib for item details
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11:44	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/ (11 files in 10 dirs): remove buddy handling via keyed slot (fixes #3041136 and #3048702)
11:53	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: fixed duplicated items
12:11	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: render item icons
13:30	kymara	hm, i still do not seem to be able to removebuddies :(
13:30	kymara	but i wanted to to help me testing
13:31	kymara	madmetzger: are you there, can you help me work out if i am missing something please?
13:32	kymara	actually i think it might be my fault from the buddy dao change, but i still need help so i'll paste the error:
13:32	kymara	http://pastebin.ca/1921956
13:33	kymara	it doesn't like the 'add' in teh saveBuddyList I think?
13:33	kymara	which is something i added, java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException at java.util.AbstractCollection.add(AbstractCollection.java:221) at games.stendhal.server.core.engine.db.StendhalBuddyDAO.saveBuddyList(StendhalBuddyDAO.java:61)
13:33	kymara	that StendhalBuddyDAO.java:61 was me
13:44	madmetzger	just returned from lunch
13:45	kymara	hello
13:46	madmetzger	hm... at a first glance i have no idea :/
13:47	madmetzger	yes, but it doesn't seem to like the add
13:47	madmetzger	but the question is why
13:47	kymara	does it work for you?
13:47	kymara	or had you not udpated to have the stendhalbuddydao change before?
13:48	madmetzger	i think i had it all updated
13:48	kymara	i didnt' check the tracker ids in your comment message
13:48	madmetzger	otherwise i would have got a merge conflict
13:48	kymara	and you didn't include the title but i assumed that one was from the dev tracker i made
13:49	kymara	and the other was about the npe on removing buddies?
13:49	madmetzger	yes
13:49	kymara	okay so removing buddies does work for you?
13:49	kymara	you don't get any error message in the server log, and when you relog the buddy really is gone?
13:50	kymara	grr sf's interface is stupid, i really can't seem to find this tracker entry you referenced in any easy way from the artefact id
13:50	kymara	i assumed one was in dev tracker one is in bugs tracker
13:51	madmetzger	the other one was in patches
13:51	madmetzger	okay, i get the same exception
13:51	kymara	oh
13:52	kymara	fwiw sf tracker serach from https://sourceforge.net/search/?group_id=1111&type_of_search=artifact is broken, it says you can enter tracker item ids
13:53	kymara	and 'Seperate multiple tracker items with a space.'
13:53	kymara	but it does not work you have to do them individually.
13:56	madmetzger	okay, i think i have figured out why this exception is thrown. maybe it was my fault. but i didn't get it yesterday while testing
13:56	kymara	hm, can you check yesterdays server log at all?
13:56	kymara	maybe you did get it just didn't spot it because as you remove the buddy it does look like the buddy is removed
13:56	kymara	but when you relog you see it was not
13:57	kymara	(which is the same as what happened before with the NPE excpetion too actually)
13:57	madmetzger	no, i can't access the log from yesterday :(
13:58	kymara	hm, do you remember checking though
13:58	madmetzger	my idea is that the problem has its root in getBuddies()
13:58	kymara	they were server error logs not client so maybe it could have been missed, i'm just not sure why you ouldn't have got it yesterday
13:58	madmetzger	i was constantly watching the console
13:59	madmetzger	maybe i just didn't spot them by accident
13:59	kymara	okay, eclipse always puts my client log on top of teh server one
13:59	kymara	but i guess if you don't run your client from eclipse that would be okay :D
14:00	madmetzger	the console would come up if there's sth logged
14:00	kymara	okay, it doesn't for me, we must have a different set up, but it's not important
14:01	madmetzger	that is the explanation for the problem: http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Map.html#keySet()
14:02	kymara	do you know why i wanted the add
14:02	kymara	because maybe there's another way
14:03	madmetzger	maybe i should change that code there to let your code the way it is
14:03	madmetzger	no, i don't know the reason. but you could tell me ;)
14:03	kymara	it's because of queries to gather all the characters and all the buddies for a given account.
14:03	kymara	atm they would look like:
14:03	kymara	SELECT characters.charname As charname from account, characters WHERE username='madmetzger' AND account.id=characters.player_id
14:04	kymara	UNION
14:04	kymara	SELECT buddy.buddy FROM account, characters, buddy WHERE username='madmetzger' AND account.id=characters.player_id AND characters.charname=buddy.charname;
14:04	kymara	for example.
14:04	kymara	my idea was to add your own character name as a buddy within the table 'buddy'
14:04	kymara	so that query can now be written as
14:04	kymara	SELECT buddy.buddy FROM account, characters, buddy WHERE username='madmetzger' AND account.id=characters.player_id AND characters.charname=buddy.charname;
14:05	kymara	you dont' physically have to add yourself as a buddy, just the character name is saved when the buddy list is saved to db
14:06	madmetzger	okay :)
14:06	kymara	in fancy speak it's adding the reflexive pair just like the trick in the meta model
14:07	madmetzger	hehe :D
14:07	madmetzger	i think we can leave your code as it is, i have fixed getBuddies()
14:07	kymara	okay thank you
14:09	kymara	would it have been better just to say it in fancy speak from the start?
14:10	madmetzger	maybe yes, but i got it after your complete explanation
14:10	madmetzger	would have been at least a bit less typing for you :D
14:12	kymara	okay. because i didn't learn computer science i dont' usually understand fancy speak
14:12	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/player/Player.java: don't use the keySet for getBuddies and put them into a new set
14:12	kymara	but reflexive is a maths term so thats okay for me. but it means i don't assume other people will know the fancy speak
14:13	madmetzger	yes, that's usually a right assumption :)
14:13	madmetzger	there is the fix :)
14:16	kymara	thank you
16:24	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/scripts/inspect.php: added support for windows
16:27	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: added input area
17:55	hendrik	shouldn't the copying being done in the method which modifies the parameter?
17:57	-!-	Bluelads4 is now known as blue-painting
17:57	hendrik	on paper or on walls?
17:57	blue-painting	paper :)
18:12	hendrik	We should start to think about this years Semos Mine Town Revival Weeks.
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20:00	hendrik	Bluelads4, do you know whether there is an image for a switch that can be right/left (or up/down)?
20:01	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: render slots that make up the character window in one shared section to make the page shorter
20:02	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: code cleanup
20:04	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: fixed tailing comma
20:15	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: group character slots (ugly but works)
20:18	Bluelads4	no sorry, I don't know about it hendrik
20:18	Bluelads4	I never saw one ingame so far as I can remember
20:18	hendrik	okay, thank you.
20:24	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: sort tables alphabetically
20:36	kymara	what kind of switch? it can't be an electrical one for lights
20:48	hendrik	I am think about this game with a 3 x 3 switch matrix.
20:48	hendrik	at the beginning all handles point to the left
20:49	hendrik	if you move one handle, the switches above, left, right, below are moved, too.
20:49	hendrik	task: move all switches to the right.
20:50	hendrik	after flipping the one in the middle:
20:50	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:50	hendrik	\| < \| > \| < \|
20:50	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:50	hendrik	\| > \| > \| > \|
20:50	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:50	hendrik	\| < \| > \| < \|
20:50	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:51	kymara	could you use a pointy leaf or something
20:51	hendrik	yes
20:51	kymara	in modern times you'd use matches, right
20:51	kymara	because matches are what you'd have to hand
20:51	kymara	so in past times ou might have some leaves and some sticks to make the grid
20:52	Bluelads4	or maybe some stendhal items, different ones to make it more interesting
20:52	Bluelads4	like arrows, weapons and stuff?
20:52	kymara	they need to have a direction
20:52	kymara	so wooden arrows would be okay
20:54	Bluelads4	or candles... like candle lighting and non lighting instead of left/right or up/down?
20:54	hendrik	the switches have the advantage that it is easy to make up a reason why the other are modified.
20:55	hendrik	but we can make it a real game, and explain it just by "so are the rules".
20:56	kymara	sorry i don't know whatt you been by modified
20:56	kymara	do you mean the right click action might be 'switch'
20:57	kymara	and so you need to explain what the player does to them
20:57	kymara	so if it's candles they have to blow out/light them (and how did they light them)?
20:57	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:57	hendrik	\| A \| B \| C \|
20:57	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:57	hendrik	\| D \| E \| F \|
20:57	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:57	hendrik	\| G \| H \| I \|
20:57	hendrik	+---+---+---+
20:57	hendrik	if someone switches A, then B and D are switched, too.
20:58	hendrik	B will modfy A, C, E in addition.
20:58	kymara	sorry i misunderstood you initially then
20:58	kymara	i thought that ytou were talking about changing the direction of something
20:58	kymara	fire squares?
20:59	kymara	or just sparkles on the ground?
20:59	kymara	that would make sense that fire would spread and extinguish
20:59	kymara	and sparkle can just be magic
20:59	hendrik	it can be on/off, or black/white or left/right.
20:59	kymara	right or lit/unlit for a patch of fire burning/patch of sparkles?
21:00	hendrik	let asume A: left, B: left, D: right
21:00	hendrik	player switches A
21:00	hendrik	A: right, B: right, D: left.
21:00	kymara	oh okay
21:00	hendrik	it's a stupid game, but it was the first that came to mind after tic-tac-toe.
21:00	hendrik	this one is a single player game.
21:02	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: don't check for admin level because it just renders supplied data
21:04	kymara	so long as you can only give it safe data :)
21:04	hendrik	yes, i made sure that everything is "htmlspecialchar"-ed.
21:05	*	kymara giggles
21:05	*	hendrik smiles.
21:10	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (content/game/development.php index.php): added links to deep inspect renderer to both the admin box and the development menu
21:18	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: uses boxes
21:23	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/content/admin/inspect.php: clean up
21:45	hendrik	can I update the webpage?
21:48	kymara	um
21:48	kymara	i dont think i committed yet any of my half done work on events and friends
21:48	kymara	and i didn't commit the change to the hall of fame query that needs the next releases' buddy dao
21:49	hendrik	good.
21:49	kymara	i guess it's okay, i cant think of anything else right now
21:49	hendrik	thank you.
21:50	*	hendrik nods. There were no changed from you in this update.
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23:05	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/ (3 files in 3 dirs): organized imports
23:39	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (scripts/website.php index.php): organized imports
23:43	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (3 files in 2 dirs): moved overlib code into new method getOverlibCode()

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