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#arianne IRC Log for 2010-08-29

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00:19	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/website_menu.xml: fixed news link
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01:30	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/LearnAboutOrbs.java: Just deleted a space which was set too much in a sentence in a quest history line
01:34	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/LookBookforCeryl.java: Fixed a minor typo in a quest history line
02:51	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/RingMaker.java: Added quest history for fixing emerald ring quest, no "introduction line" given up yet there, just the quest steps
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08:29	postman-bot	Horst rented a sign saying "i sell 1 mithril bow for 2,5 m"
08:30	postman-bot	Horst rented a sign saying "i sell 1 mithril bow for 2,5 m"
09:36	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/.htaccess: use absolute url as rewriting target
09:47	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/game_stendhal.xml: added authors
09:49	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/game_stendhal.xml: removed old change log entries older than 1st January 2010
09:51	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/.cvsignore: exclude google webmaster tool authentication file from CVS
10:02	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (31 files in 4 dirs): added files from webspace to cvs
10:04	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/website_news.xml: fixed image link
10:09	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (200704_meeting.txt docs/200704_meeting.txt): moved meeting log to correct folder
10:09	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/fix_perms.sh: add read permission for webserver
10:18	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/website_news.xml: link fixes
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11:30	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/xml/website_news.xml: fixed more image links
11:31	hendrik	please help testing http://arianne.sf.net are there broken links or missing images?
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12:24	storyteller	Hendrik: I found a bug on the "Contact" page on the sf page
12:24	storyteller	it says contact: "NAME at users tod sourceforge tod net"
12:24	storyteller	but it should be "dot"
12:41	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: kymara * website/xml/game_stendhal.xml: Fixing bug 3055392 [arianne.sf.net] put see all past changes link on a new line
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12:42	kymara	storyteller: do you have an ohloh account?
12:42	storyteller	no I havent
12:43	kymara	I want to be able to link to your contributions from the stendhal game page on website.
12:43	kymara	e.g. like https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/Bluelads99
12:44	kymara	atm all i can have for you is http://www.ohloh.net/p/stendhal/contributors/15940771414476
12:45	storyteller	Ah, yes okay :)
12:45	storyteller	So I sign up at ohloh?
12:45	kymara	If you like to
12:46	kymara	I sent you an invite so you can just click on that link if you want (or click I am this person)
12:46	kymara	you can have any name, it can be story-teller or storyteller, it doesn't matter
12:46	storyteller	okay :)
12:46	kymara	btw it shoes you have 6 kudos now and that will vanish for one day when you sign up but it will come back
12:47	storyteller	okay
12:47	kymara	All new accounts on Ohloh are assigned a default KudoRank of 1. Ohloh recalculates kudo scores only once each day.
12:47	kymara	there may already be some kudos associated with some code you wrote for a project
12:47	kymara	(so you already got 6 kudos and you'll get that back when it recalculates)
12:47	storyteller	:)
12:47	kymara	you got that because stendhal has good kudos overall, from people saying they use it (having it on their stack)
12:48	kymara	let me know when you ave an account so i can fix the author link.
12:48	storyteller	okay
12:50	storyteller	I have an account now :) Its Storyteller
12:51	kymara	okay and have you linked your stendhal contributions in?
12:51	kymara	https://www.ohloh.net/p/stendhal/contributors/15940771414476 and click 'I am this person'
12:53	storyteller	I'll do
12:54	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: kymara * website/xml/game_stendhal.xml: Fix bug 3055391 [arianne.sf.net] storyteller author link to wrong author. Also link to contributor page for Chad3F and mort as we know their sf names. change ohloh https to http.
12:56	storyteller	Okay, done :)
13:01	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: kymara * website/content/documentation.php: Fix: add -P to cvs co line ID: 3055387, cvs links to wrong project: ariane ! ID: 3055400. Removed ariannexp from relevant modules, add jmapacman and marboard and stendhal_website. boldify stendhal and marauroa
13:03	kymara	I think saying 'tod' not 'dot' is deliberate.
13:04	kymara	To avoid spam, just like not saying . directly. things crawling the web looking for mail addresses are probly more than capable of working out that at means <(a)> and dot means . and still building the address.
13:06	storyteller	yes
13:07	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: kymara * website/content/contact.php: Just adding missing . to end of a sentence
13:13	kymara	I found 3 news URLs not working (all with special characters) and have made bug reports.
13:13	kymara	It's very nice to be able to link to a url
13:14	kymara	hendrik, is it worth to go back over the old stendhal game news items and instead of link to arianne.sf.net, link directly to the correct news for that release?
13:14	kymara	or shall we just do that going forwrad?
13:35	hendrik	thanks you for testing.
13:35	kymara	thats okay
13:36	hendrik	thos broken links, are they pointing news items or normal pages?
13:37	kymara	news urls
13:37	kymara	most of my other fixes were not really related to your changes tbh
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14:02	Laguz	hello all
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14:49	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/RingMaker.java: Changed "First Chat" quest history sentence because it didn't make sense earlier :D (bad me!)
14:57	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/RingMaker.java: Added a quest introduction for quest history (hopefully right, it's working on my localhost, though...)
14:59	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: bluelads99 * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/LookBookforCeryl.java: Fixed minor typo in quest history introduction
15:04	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: kymara * stendhal/tests/games/stendhal/server/maps/quests/LookBookforCerylTest.java: update test to match new behaviour
15:04	kymara	Bluelads4: we will set tests up on your eclipse next ....
15:05	Bluelads4	:D
15:05	kymara	were you at mad's talk on junit testing?
15:05	Bluelads4	no, that was on sunday I think
15:05	Bluelads4	(and I didn't watch the video up yet :D)
15:05	kymara	hmmm
15:06	kymara	but if you watch it you will know how fun and important junit testing is
15:10	Bluelads4	if I run the test and 0 errors appear...everything is fine right? :D
15:10	storyteller	yes:D
15:11	Bluelads4	:D
15:11	Bluelads4	good
15:12	storyteller	hehe ;D
15:13	kymara	yes
15:13	kymara	assuming the test did something
15:13	kymara	markus's talk explains about how you can deliberately make it fail at the start
15:14	kymara	to check all is working correctly.
15:21	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/scripts/news.php: added "(" and ")" to list of characters to strip from nice urls
15:21	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/WriteHTML.php: added "(" and ")" to list of characters to strip from nice urls
15:53	hendrik	should there be a link at the end of stendhal announcements on arianne.sf.net pointing to http://stendhalgame.org ?
15:56	kymara	after every announcement?
15:56	hendrik	only the stendhal related ones.
15:56	hendrik	i am not sure.
15:57	hendrik	but it seems difficult to get from the accouncements to the game.
16:03	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/ (scripts/news.php content/admin/news.php): added a checkbox to admin interface for news which allows editing without increasing the update counter
16:05	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: mkvii * stendhal/tiled/tileset/building/ (fire_tower.png death_tower.png): new images for death and fire towers
16:27	hendrik	i am editing the post on stendhalgame.org to point directly to the news items on arianne.sf.net
16:30	kymara	okay
17:15	hendrik	urghs, i just noticed that i need to do more work to get it fully working.
17:15	hendrik	especially setting title and description.
17:17	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/page.php: copyied Page class from stendhal website
17:40	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (11 files in 5 dirs): ported to Page class
17:40	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (body.php page.php index.php): ported to Page class
17:46	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (page.php index.php): allow pages to override the title, description and keywords
17:47	kymara	hm, can anyone think if there are any other items in the game (things you carry) which look different depending on some state of theirs
17:47	kymara	i mean like the ring of life (emerald ring) which can be broken or not
17:47	hendrik	empty and marked scrolls are somehow related but technically different items.
17:48	kymara	yes, that's not what i'm thinking of
17:48	kymara	likewise full and empty goblet, but they're different items.
17:52	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/core/ (config/ZonesXMLLoader.java engine/StendhalRPWorld.java):
17:52	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: * make StendhalRPWorld aware of regions
17:52	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: * put zones into region according to their filename --> all zones in semos.xml belong to semos region
17:53	kymara	oh
17:53	kymara	but that's not what we talked about, is it?
17:54	hendrik	perhaps it is something intermediate?
17:57	madmetzger	yes
17:57	madmetzger	that's intermediate
17:57	madmetzger	next step is adding an optional attribute to the zone element which overrides the default behaviour
17:59	kymara	why aren't you parsing the zone name like we discussed?
18:03	kymara	What I mean is that you can try to split it on _
18:03	kymara	and then take the element at position 1
18:03	kymara	if it failed it's probably one of those special cases and of course you want to catch that exception anyway
18:04	madmetzger	i can't remember the exact reason. i was looking at the zone names and thought parsing the zone names could cause trouble
18:06	kymara	http://pastebin.com/JpJV50mz
18:06	kymara	pillar must be one of laguz' zones.
18:07	kymara	so we can ignore that as we should probably fix that naming convention.
18:07	kymara	okay, so this is only zones with npcs in, but i am just demonstrating
18:07	madmetzger	yes
18:07	madmetzger	hell is another "special" one
18:08	kymara	yes, but it doesn't have a _
18:08	kymara	so it's easily caught in my check
18:08	madmetzger	that's right
18:08	kymara	as you can see it works, with my check.
18:08	kymara	so it'd work with yours too
18:08	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/WriteHTML.php: use h2 for news item titles
18:09	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/WriteHTML.php: put "a" inside "h2"
18:10	madmetzger	okay, that's maybe cleverer if i overthink it again
18:10	madmetzger	didn't have sedah in mind for example
18:10	kymara	wofol, rat, magic, sedah and kanmarnarn would all be affected by using just xml.
18:10	madmetzger	yes
18:11	madmetzger	for sedah we'd have the problem that the exterior zones don't fit that naming scheme
18:11	kymara	which is what i thought had comem up in our discussion (okay i didn't list them then, perhaps i should have)
18:11	kymara	like wofol and magic too
18:11	kymara	and rat
18:11	kymara	it's not an issue, i think
18:11	kymara	there will only be interiors
18:12	kymara	so visitng all underground in fado, semos, and fado respetcively
18:12	kymara	and visiting all interiors in sedah, wofol and magic is a different thing.
18:12	madmetzger	it seems just a bit odd to me that interior zones belong to other regions as they "containing" exteriors
18:12	kymara	that's not the same as visiting the interiors in fado city, semos city, and fado city.
18:12	kymara	really?
18:12	kymara	they built their city underground, it's their local name
18:13	kymara	we refer to them as semos mines for example
18:13	kymara	they happen to have their city there
18:13	kymara	if that's an issue we have a lot of stuff to do to change the exterior zones, dont' we?
18:14	kymara	why has it only come up now because of achievements, i mean, it's something we made a decision to do (to name the kobold city interiors as wofol) when we made the kobold city
18:16	hendrik	interiors like houses and little caves should belong to the region of the parent.
18:16	hendrik	but dungeons should be their own region.
18:16	kymara	hendrik: well, they don't.
18:17	madmetzger	i don't know if it is a real issue and i also don't know the reasons for the decision to do it like for kobold city
18:17	kymara	i'm sorry but i really disagree
18:17	kymara	when you are walking through semos mines and you go from one part of semos mines then reach the part containig the kobold houses, i don't see why it stopped being semos mines
18:17	hendrik	the kobold city itself should be called wofol and not semos.
18:17	kymara	and then you go beyond ir and it should have to change back to semos again?
18:18	kymara	that's ridiculous
18:18	hendrik	no
18:18	kymara	so when we start to populate underground areas with interiors we have to rename the zones?
18:18	hendrik	no
18:18	kymara	okay, well i'd like to add a nice housing area in ados caves
18:19	yoriy	kanmararn city is underground too
18:19	kymara	i dont' think i should call them int_ados_ ...
18:19	kymara	yoriy: that is different.
18:19	kymara	yoriy: that's not got interiors, the whole zone is called that.
18:19	yoriy	yes, right
18:19	kymara	and we discussed kanmararn the other day
18:20	yoriy	magic city and sedah have no their own names too, i think
18:20	madmetzger	only the interiors
18:22	kymara	yes, tell me something i don't know.
18:23	hendrik	i may be a good idea to talk about regions at the meeting with a map.
18:26	madmetzger	sure
18:28	madmetzger	another approach might be to just split up the xml files region wise and split out for example kanmararn out of semos.xml
18:29	madmetzger	but maybe i should postpone that piece of code till discussing that with the map
18:47	kymara	madmetzger: well i don't see why you ca't work on the code
18:48	kymara	i mean, something involving regions, we can work out later how to define them
18:53	hendrik	urghs, i have been wondering why the rewriting rules for news/* don't work for me.
18:54	hendrik	they worked on my notebook and on arianne.sf.net
18:54	hendrik	i just figured out that i still had the stendhal rules active.
18:59	madmetzger	okay
19:00	madmetzger	should i better rely on zone names or use an additional attribute to override the xml file defined region?
19:01	hendrik	i think it is a good idea to define regions on the map before defining them in code.
19:03	madmetzger	okay, i think in that case i would prefer the attribute way
19:06	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/docs/tutorial/HowToWriteGamesUsingArianne.php: converted forgotten file to Page class
19:07	kymara	some wiki pages are pointing to the old arianne wiki
19:07	kymara	but it does redirect, of course
19:07	kymara	http://arianne.sourceforge.net/engine/marauroa.html#authors
19:08	hendrik	i fixed some links on the way but did not try to fix them all.
19:08	kymara	i guess i can make them point to marauroa contributors unless i know who the contributor is
19:09	kymara	i mean on ohloh
19:09	hendrik	good plan.
19:31	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: madmetzger * stendhal/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use additional attribute to override region determined by xml file name
19:33	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/ (9 files in 3 dirs): added individual title
19:35	kymara	what is the new ordering on the stendhal authors page for, shoudl the marauroa one also be re ordered?
19:36	kymara	it's not contributions based because i don'thave the most at least not according toohloh (though that did ignore non-code for a very long time)
19:39	hendrik	i put the active people first.
19:40	hendrik	no particular ordering in them.
20:07	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal_website/scripts/news.php: filter / and * on nice urls (fixes #3055407, #3055406, #3055403)
20:07	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/WriteHTML.php: filter / and * on nice urls (fixes #3055407, #3055406, #3055403)
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20:53	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * stendhal/src/games/stendhal/server/entity/item/Item.java: don't hide amount as it is used by the client to detect broken rings of life (fixes #3054606)
21:58	CIA-30	arianne_rpg: nhnb * website/WriteHTML.php: fixed link targets (fixes #3055390)
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